RE: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

From: Robert J. Bradbury (bradbury@aeiveos.com)
Date: Sun Sep 07 2003 - 17:50:25 MDT

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    On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, matus wrote:

    > Zubrin's relatively simple STS-derived booster
    > >looks like a hell of a good idea: use the
    > >existing SSMEs, solids and external tank with
    > >a sort of shuttle-minus-the-wings-and-wheels
    > >concept.
    >
    > I had not heard of this idea, yet another excellent one from Zubrin.

    Michael, don't go going all teary eyed over Zubrin's ideas.
    I'm reasonably certain this is a modest extension of the Energia
    and Buran configuration and that other people suggested things
    along this line long before Zubrin. Bottom line on the Suttle --
    NASA should have resolved the problems of recovery of the SSMEs
    on the external tank rather than sticking them on the orbiter.

    Zubrin also botched the entire "development of Mars" concept --
    he gets into a discussion of taking hunks of Mars putting them
    into space to provide solar power satellites but doesn't realize
    that with nanotech you can dismantle the entire planet (using
    the same basic type of development). He does not "get" nanotech
    and does not "get" the O'Neill vision of living in space colonies.
    The Mars atmosphere is essentially useless for things one would
    like to use atmospheres for (providing atmospheric pressure,
    shielding from UV rays, providing CO2 for plant life, etc.) so
    it requires an expensive terraforming process which may include
    hauling comets across a significant fraction of the solar system
    to provide enough water, CO2 and atmospheric pressure -- it just
    isn't worth the trouble.

    Someday, if I ever have the time and energy, I'm going to see
    if I can present a talk to the Mars Society starting out with
    how nanotech can make significant contributions to colonization
    and ending up with how, instead, it *should* be used to dismantle
    the planet. Mind you, I may not return to the ExI list after
    such a presentation. But boy, would I have fun bursting *that*
    balloon.

    Robert



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