RE: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

From: Spike (spike66@comcast.net)
Date: Sun Sep 07 2003 - 11:47:42 MDT

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    From: Technotranscendence

    >
    > And then to make it really interesting -- you
    > might take a stab at using nuclear power...
    > Robert
    >
    > Nuclear power isn't applicable to first or second
    > stages, where you need very large thrust.

    Huh? Nuclear power could achieve higher thrust...

    Certainly much higher *specific* thrust. As for
    peak thrust, the good old kerosine-lox engine is
    hard to beat. I know of nothing nuclear on the
    drawing board currently that would challenge it for
    vertical launch. There are some interesting
    ideas for air breathing nuclear engines, but
    it suffers from the comment you made about getting
    around the no-nukes crowd.

    > Don't compare NERVA data which was only a test bed to F-1s, SSMEs, or
    other
    > engines that made it out of the lab. Nuclear powered rockets can
    achieve higher
    > temperatures and exhaust velocities. The chief drawback is they're
    tough sells
    > politically...

    Yes, of course the higher exhaust velocity is
    again specific thrust. Actually my comment about
    first and second stages was referring to the
    exhaust products of those two stages ending up
    in the atmosphere. I suppose that
    a few nations might object to radioactive rocket
    exhaust raining down from above. Imagine that,
    the radical greenies. {8^D

    These kinds of problems are so persistent and
    apparently insoluble that I have concentrated my
    thinking not on making boosters bigger but in making
    payloads smaller, in which case our present stable of
    launchers will suffice.

    Zubrin's relatively simple STS-derived booster
    looks like a hell of a good idea: use the
    existing SSMEs, solids and external tank with
    a sort of shuttle-minus-the-wings-and-wheels
    concept. We already have the infrastructure
    to make a lotta that stuff, plus the launch
    facility. We could hoist a lot of stuff with
    something like that, as well as placing the
    external tank in a high enough orbit to park
    it for a while, then use it for something up
    there.

    spike



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