Re: tribal violence (was: RE: would you vote for this man?)

From: Steve Davies (Steve365@btinternet.com)
Date: Tue Sep 02 2003 - 08:19:33 MDT

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    >
    > On Monday 01 September 2003 22:06, Terry Donaghe wrote:
    > >> Isn't Islam a good bit younger than Hinduism, Christianity and
    Buddhism?
    > >> Islam is like the teenager of world religions. It took an awful long
    time
    > >> for Christianity to "simmer down." Perhaps, as religions mature, their
    > >> followers get a bit more laid back. Now, obviously some Hindus and
    > >> Christians can still get rabble roused and incited to violence, but in
    > > general their followers seem to be less raucous.
    >
    > Samantha:
    > >I have heard this metaphorical theory before. I don't believe it is
    valid.
    > >Mormonism is *much* younger than Islam but not at all violent. Many of
    the
    > >world's religions were much more mellow in their beginning than later on.
    > >Besides, can the world afford to have a violent teenager over 1.3 billion
    > >strong loose?

    Amara said

    > I don't have an opinion regarding the 'age' of a religion, but I do
    > think that religions evolve in time, and the violent aspects do check
    > themselves.
    >
    > Christianity had its Reformation.. Islam has not had its own
    > 'reformation' yet. Extremists at the edge of every religion will
    > always exist, but I think that Islam is ripe for an upheaval of some
    > of its core elements. Some Moslem scholars have observed and written
    > about Islam needing a 'reformation', unfortunately their ideas have
    > not been accepted well in their societies yet.
    >
    > One example of such a person is Nasr Hamid Abu Zeid. He is an
    > Egyptian teacher, and was a professor of Arabic Literature at Cairo
    > University, who has written some works that interpret the Koran in
    > the context of life at the time that the Koran was written. In his
    > book: _Criticism of Religious Discourse_, he writes,
    >
    > "Since language develops with the development of society and
    > culture, providing new ideas and developing its terminology to
    > express more developed relations, then it is necessary and only
    > natural to re-interpret texts in their original historical and
    > social context, replacing them with more contemporary
    > interpretations that are more humanistic and developed, while
    > keeping the content of the verses stable."

    <big snip about what has happened to this fellow>

    I think we need to be very careful, both about metaphors that liken
    religions to human individuals (use of words like 'adolescence') and about
    historical comparisons. A Reformation is the last thing Islam needs right
    now - fundamentalists are very similar in their rhetoric and analysis to
    people such as Luther and Calvin. The Reformation did not make Christianity
    more mellow or rational, on the contrary it reversed a movement towards
    rationalism in the writings of people like Erasmus and made Christianity
    (both Catholic and Protestant) much more dogmatic and intolerant. It also
    led to savage religious wars within 'christendom' - I think something that
    is actually the most probable outcome of Islamic fundamentalism. What Amara
    is talking about and Abu Zeid is articulating here is more like the 'higher
    criticism' of the mid-nineteenth century, which has destoyed the traditional
    way of reading the Bible for most educated people. Textual criticism of the
    Koran may sound boring but it's actually the way to go.

    Steve Davies



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