Re: would you vote for this man?

From: Robbie Lindauer (robblin@thetip.org)
Date: Sat Aug 30 2003 - 15:32:02 MDT

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    On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 08:54 AM, Greg Burch wrote:

    > I try to stay out of discussions of contemporary partisan politics on
    > this
    > list,

    Obviously not. It's an amazing part of the "Modern non-ideology" that
    it simultaneously makes absurd claims like yours below while claiming
    to be impartial and cooly objective.

    The "Tit-for-tat" as you put it are the DETAILS on which any argument
    should be based, right?

    That you find the likening to Hitler absurd is well, absurd. Were you
    watching very carefully as our government bombed two relatively
    defenseless countries to smithereens while invading them in order to
    install puppet governments.

    This is pretty precisely what Hitler did to middle-europe.

    And apparently you don't notice that we are propping up a government
    that is bulldozing racially-identified houses while the occupants are
    in them and is holding upwards of 1 Million of "THEM" in "Camps".

    I never even mentioned the civil liberties issue - you changed the
    subject. What I said was that we bombed to smithereens thousands upon
    thousands of people in two countries while the American nation
    "appeared to applaud" like you're doing here. What that means is the
    MORAL implications of killing someone has been sufficiently blurred by
    the propaganda machine of our country that "lots of people" think it's
    okay to use the Shock and Awe strategy.

    But as long as you bring it up, ever heard of Jose Padilla who has been
    imprisoned without being charged for two years now despite several
    court orders? Apparently they're considering moving his trial "out of
    the country" so that he's out of the jurisdiction of our courts. After
    all, he is an American Citizen. Then there's Sherman Austin. The list
    is not small.

    And then, of course, there's this one:

    google: fatherland security (hit I'm feeling lucky) enjoy

    > Simply because it's been done to death here and serves no useful
    > purpose *on
    > this list*, I won't address the points about U.S. foreign military
    > activity.

    Fair enough, I won't say another word about it if you won't. But
    controlling the discourse is rule number one isn't it? I suggest "The
    Power of Ideology" by Istvan Meszaros as an interesting introduction to
    why political ideology is relevant for any utopian and ipso facto
    extropian subject matter.

    Best,

    Robbie Lindauer
    robblin@thetip.org
    (vice president of nothing in particular)



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