From: Robbie Lindauer (robblin@thetip.org)
Date: Sat Aug 30 2003 - 15:32:02 MDT
On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 08:54 AM, Greg Burch wrote:
> I try to stay out of discussions of contemporary partisan politics on
> this
> list,
Obviously not. It's an amazing part of the "Modern non-ideology" that
it simultaneously makes absurd claims like yours below while claiming
to be impartial and cooly objective.
The "Tit-for-tat" as you put it are the DETAILS on which any argument
should be based, right?
That you find the likening to Hitler absurd is well, absurd. Were you
watching very carefully as our government bombed two relatively
defenseless countries to smithereens while invading them in order to
install puppet governments.
This is pretty precisely what Hitler did to middle-europe.
And apparently you don't notice that we are propping up a government
that is bulldozing racially-identified houses while the occupants are
in them and is holding upwards of 1 Million of "THEM" in "Camps".
I never even mentioned the civil liberties issue - you changed the
subject. What I said was that we bombed to smithereens thousands upon
thousands of people in two countries while the American nation
"appeared to applaud" like you're doing here. What that means is the
MORAL implications of killing someone has been sufficiently blurred by
the propaganda machine of our country that "lots of people" think it's
okay to use the Shock and Awe strategy.
But as long as you bring it up, ever heard of Jose Padilla who has been
imprisoned without being charged for two years now despite several
court orders? Apparently they're considering moving his trial "out of
the country" so that he's out of the jurisdiction of our courts. After
all, he is an American Citizen. Then there's Sherman Austin. The list
is not small.
And then, of course, there's this one:
google: fatherland security (hit I'm feeling lucky) enjoy
> Simply because it's been done to death here and serves no useful
> purpose *on
> this list*, I won't address the points about U.S. foreign military
> activity.
Fair enough, I won't say another word about it if you won't. But
controlling the discourse is rule number one isn't it? I suggest "The
Power of Ideology" by Istvan Meszaros as an interesting introduction to
why political ideology is relevant for any utopian and ipso facto
extropian subject matter.
Best,
Robbie Lindauer
robblin@thetip.org
(vice president of nothing in particular)
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