FWD (SK) Why skeptics groups die (sometimes).

From: Terry W. Colvin (fortean1@mindspring.com)
Date: Thu Aug 21 2003 - 13:27:57 MDT

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    Someone wrote me off list and asked about the death of the Inquiring
    Skeptics of Upper New York. (I spent about four years as vice-president
    of that group and one as president.)

    I thought part of the lessons learned would be worth sharing.

    I've given a lot of thought as to why skeptics groups die off and such
    and might some day put something up on my website about it. What's been
    holding me back is that I don't wish to waste time with a "he said/ she
    said/ and they were wrong and I was right" sort of thing that would just
    be stupid and childish. Much of what happened still makes the people
    involved emotional. (including me.)

    However there are lessons that I think anyone involved with a local
    group should consider.

    Part of the problem(s) I think are:

        1) Unlike many organization (such as boy scout troops, bowling
    leagues, the Elks, etc.) nobody is quite sure what a skeptics group
    should do. For instance, one issue was the desire of some to explore
    haunted houses and do a firewalk while others felt this was totally
    innapropriate to the extent that it should actively be prevented by any
    means necessary.

        2) Since skeptics groups tend to be run by a few people who form the
    group to do what it wants, and since ultimately people tend to get
    burned out doing the same thing, and people who approach the group
    hesitantly and then find out that it doesn't do the sorts of activities
    they would like it to, tends to leave, the result is a small group of
    people who drive the organization along to act along narrow lines and
    then ultimately these people get burned out before they are replaced.
        Therefore if the focus of the group's activities is too narrow,
    people tend to get burned out before they can be replaced.

        3) Since skeptics, as a group, pride themselves on their ability to
    think logically, they sometimes tend to be a bit sure of themselves.
    After all, compared to most people, they are more likely to be factually
    correct in their conclusions than many people one meets. On the other
    hand, some skeptics become overconfident in their thinking abilities and
    feel they are "correct" when others disagree with them, when often the
    issues under discussion do not fall within the "correct/ incorrect"
    paradigm. (i.e. "Is it appropriate for a skeptics group newsletter to
    list a planned bowling outing for its members?" This is strictly a
    hypothetical example, but I think many of the people who are willing to
    volunteer time to make a skeptics group work also assume there is a
    correct answer to this question, when of course it is not a yes or no
    question. OTOH, the fact is that ultimately one has to make a yes or no
    decision if such an issue is raised or suggested within a skeptics
    group.)
        Therefore, many but not all of the sorts of persons who volunteer to
    help run a skeptics group show rigid thought patterns.

        4) These problems, in my opinion, were not helped by the fact that
    for much of the group's history, we did not hold regular officers
    meetings and instead tried to manage things by using an e-mail list.
    E-mail is good for some things. Face to face communication is required
    for others, especially complex fuzzy issues (i.e. to repeat the above
    hypothetical bowling issue, it could easily turn into a yes/ no --
    right/wrong flamewar by e-mail.)

        Another problem with not holding officers' meetings is it makes it
    more difficult to recruit people to get involved in helping the group
    run. i.e. if you have officers meetings, it is relatively easy to say to
    someone who appears quite interested in the group, "How would you like
    to come to an officers' meeting? There's no obligation to do anything,
    but you'll get a chance to see how things are run." Often you can get
    such people to do something small that way and thus set the groundwork
    for many things.

        I think one reason there were not officers meetings is that many
    people assumed from the beginning that all who wished to join a skeptics
    group would agree with their logic and vision, and thus there would be
    little to discuss.

        Enough said. I reserve the right to drop out of any discussions on
    this issue, simply because I don't want to open too many cans of worms
    and so on. Sometimes it's best to let wounded dogs fester (or something
    like that.) and this can be an emotional issue for me.

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