From: matus (matus@matus1976.com)
Date: Thu Aug 21 2003 - 03:04:30 MDT
Spike said:
>>
>>...Jeff Davis, as I have all ready elaborated, said the 'good
>>guys' won in Vietnam...
>>
>>Michael Dickey
>
>Michael, make sure you understood what (I think) Jeff was
>getting at. The west contained communism long enough for it
>to collapse under its own weight. In that sense, the good
>guys did win in Vietnam, setting the stage for the eventual
>victory of WW3, which petered out around 1990.
>
Spike, I appreciate your comments, buts Jeff's statements were pretty
clear. From an older post (I havent the time to dig out the specific
post reference)
1st, Jeff elaborates on what he feels is the correct interpreation of
the Vietnamese government.
> The truth? Three million deaths caused by the French,
> the Americans, and their respective puppets. No "enslavement" by the
> communists, just a different form of government facing the difficult
> task of rebuilding a country savaged by 124 years of foreign
> dictatorships, and made all the more difficult by the
> opposition of the political elite of the world's
> richest and most powerful country. An elite filled
> with hostility by their defeat at the hands of a
> people with the brains, discipline, and courage to pay
> the enormous price required to "refuse" the tyranny of
> foreign dictators.
AND
> All governments have laws for the maintenance of
> social order. Freedom of speech has its limitations.
> I may not cry "fire!" in a crowded theater, nor
> advocate the violent overthrow of the US government.
> Communists (and their subsequent governments), under
> siege by the capitalists from before the ink was dry
> on the "Manifesto", feel the need to protect
> themselves from foreign subversion--
And for Jeff's specific comments
For Jeff's actual statement -
http://forum.javien.com/XMLmessage.php?id=id::Y0NjMwdx-YHAW-Whs2-BiF7-Kk
BxYCN5VzJY speaking in reference to the winners of the vietnam war.
"Hell!, my side--the right side--prevailed--though at horrific
cost--back when it was the central event of my generation. Hooray!
Having taken my victory lap, it is now time for me to get on with
looking to the future."
And as for the Iraq Kuwait comment
Paul Grant commented:
> I'm a bit busy prepping for a trip but I couldn't wait to answer this
> section :P
>
> > > Uh, just in case you didn't know, Kuwait was originally part of
> Iraq,
> > > Like Sudan was part of Egypt. In point of fact, Iraq refused to
> > > recognize Kuwait as an independent country until 2 years *AFTER*
the
>
> > > gulf war. So as far as I'm concerned, Saddam didn't invade
> > > anybody.
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On that note, I shall be out of town for a few days and unavailable for
response.
Michael Dickey
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