From: Hubert Mania (humania@t-online.de)
Date: Mon Aug 18 2003 - 02:49:39 MDT
Lee, we had some quarrels. And I had some violent exchanges with Mike
Lorrey, too.
It has always been my point of view to really express what I feel about the
view of other posters. There are times when you have to forget your
politeness. I guess from what you write today that it might have been better
to really have said what you thought - sometimes.
I understand that it's not everyone's business to endure name calling or
these ominous "ad hominem" attacks, but . . . hell . . . what the fuck . . .
you say dirty words, some people are not amused, others know it's only too
human. Having expressed my indignation about your or Mike Lorrey's opinions,
I think I would for example gladly join you and Mike for a weekend picknick
anyway, because I know you both are decent guys and we could learn from each
other simply *because* we think differently.
I think it was wrong to expell Mike Lorrey from the list. My first reaction
was to propose an exchange deal: they let Mike Lorrey come back and I leave
the forum till the new list is established in September. But now, after
second thoughts, I suggest it:
Let Mike come back, I leave till September.
It would be a great loss if you left the list, Lee.
Please stay with us and start "taking back all my fine words, renouncing
my praise". This should be interesting and a step forward to hear the truth
behind all the politeness.
Hubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Corbin" <lcorbin@tsoft.com>
To: <extropians@extropy.org>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:32 AM
Subject: Lee Corbin's Goodbye
> About a week ago, a contributor of long standing was suddenly
> and summarily expelled from this list, an act that seemed to
> me capricious and perhaps arbitrary, and for several days after
> that, I didn't feel like posting anything. During that time,
> I thought that I was just annoyed, and that it would pass.
>
> But my feelings on the matter did not change in the days
> following, and I finally figured out why. It was due to
> the large number of posts I'd written and threads that I
> had started in the past two years extolling to the skies
> this list and the people who ran it; the theme of those
> many, many posts was that through thick and thin, freedom
> of speech had always won out in the end on the Extropians
> forum.
>
> I now feel like a fool.
>
> However, I could live with that---after all, one does many
> foolish things in life and one gets over it after a while.
> But there is something far worse than looking or being
> foolish.
>
> I will not be a hypocrite.
>
> My only choices are to either leave this list, or begin a
> series of posts taking back all my fine words, renouncing
> my praise, and admitting that my perceptions had been wrong,
> or else pleading that actions like this never recur, or, etc.
> etc.---moves sure to foment controversy and ugly discord (and
> which would probably result in my own expulsion anyway).
>
> Any lessons learned? So far, only one: be temperate in your
> praise of others, else you will come to feel responsible for
> their actions. I hadn't known that.
>
> So anyway, in a single sentence there is no way for me to
> communicate the appreciation I have of what I have learned
> here, the information I've gleaned, the friendships I've
> made, the laughs I've had, or the stimulating, productive,
> and entertaining discourse I've been privileged to be a part
> of. It's been fun. Good-bye, and good luck to everyone.
>
> Lee Corbin
>
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