Re: Fermi "Paradox"

From: Charles Hixsn (charleshixsn@earthlink.net)
Date: Wed Aug 06 2003 - 09:16:26 MDT

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    Anders Sandberg wrote:

    >On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 02:18:34PM -0700, Robert J. Bradbury wrote:
    >
    >
    >>>Wouldn't it be possible to create a quantum computer based on
    >>>spin-coupling as a communication "backplane"?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>Yep, you could propose such a computer. But Robert will jump
    >>...
    >>
    >...and some error correction). I have the feeling (like Robert) that the
    >original proposal suggested some entanglement communication, and that is
    >magical physics. If we had such FTL communication, then M-brains could
    >be designed much more efficiently by keeping remote parts linked, and I
    >think the analysis of size and movement would become very changed. ...
    >
    >
    If we had entanglement linkages built into M-brains, then there would be
    no practical limit (foreseeable from here) to the degree of
    intelligence. Actually, a lot of things would depend on the exact
    nature of the link. If it had a long start-up delay, or was expensive
    to use (say, emitted a lot of heat, or had a slow bit rate), then there
    could well still be speed limits in how fast the final
    M-brain-with-quantum-link could think, but I can't see any limit on the
    size of problem that it could solve. Merely on the speed at which it
    could be solved. I suppose that one could say that the same is, in
    principle, true of even a simple Turing machine, but this isn't the same
    kind of limit. The separable parts could be handled separately...

    If the link were fast and cheap enough it could replace everything else
    for linking components. This is quite unlikely, but who can say. It
    would be equivalent to seeing the universe as it exists as a computer
    that one could program.

    If the link were somewhat expensive, but had a fast bit-rate, then
    M-Brain modules would get, say, as large as a desk, or perhaps a shoebox
    and these modules would be linked using some development from, perhaps,
    Beowulf technology (or Globus?). Thus each M-Brain module would have
    perhaps 1000 times the computing capacity of a human brain (or more, I'm
    being a bit conservative here) and these modules would be linked
    "instantaneously" to a net which could be spatially distributed
    throughout the universe. One has to hope that there are a large number
    of "frequencies" available. I find myself believing that were this to
    be possible, the first civilization to discover how to do it would
    saturate the available frequencies, and latecomers would only find a
    channel too noisy to use. (The earlier developers would be frequencies
    so high and spread across the available spectrum that those coming later
    wouldn't find an available channel, or a readable signal.)

    If the link were fast and cheap, but short range (say an exponential
    decay), then everything depends on the available distance. If it's
    across the solar system, then M-Brains could be a lot more efficient
    than we have believed. If it's across the hall, then it wouldn't have
    much effect at all, but it might up the rate of bit transmission a bit.

    Simply having the possibility of a quantuum linkage doesn't tell one
    enough about the engineering trade-offs. And since we don't yet know
    how to do it, we don't know what the constraints and limitations would
    be. But unless we're the first it seems to range from "interesting but
    not really worth the effort" up to "quite handy, and well worth the
    cost". Only towards the high end of the scale do we start noticing
    significant performance changes in the M-Brains. At the nearly top end
    (practical signalling extends out to around 8 light years with a high
    bit rate) we get a dramatic change where the universe becomes accessible
    for total conversions into a single intelligence. (This says nothing
    about whether such a choice is wise or ethical.)



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