From: Anders Sandberg (asa@nada.kth.se)
Date: Tue Aug 05 2003 - 14:45:43 MDT
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 09:52:49AM -0700, Rafal Smigrodzki wrote:
>
> ### I wonder what would happen if you tried to take into account the
> inflationary model of our universe's creation - say, if there is a
> continuous front of inflation producing a bubble, then the volume of space
> freshly produced would be much higher than the volume of space produced a
> longer time ago. The amount of fresh galaxies, with root reality-dwelling
> civilizations and no sims would be possibly higher than the volume of space
> with older races and simulations, for any point in time since the initiation
> of the inflation.
In the chaotic inflation scenario you already have an infinite number of
spacetime bubbles, so the expansion only matters locally. So we really
should be thinking from the start of the distribution of civilization
types.
> If you add to it the uncertainties about the amount of resources that are
> going to be used for simulation rather than root-reality experience (to give
> an answer here you need an advanced course in posthuman psychology, maybe
> even applied theology), the number of orders of magnitude we have to take
> into account in trying to answer the reality/simulation question becomes
> totally unmanageable.
Perhaps. But we can elucidate the consequences given certain
assumptions. Robert's future scenario suggests isolated, long lived
civilizations of a certain localized kind that may or may not want to
simulate societies but have plenty of resources to do it. Robin's cosmic
commons scenario (to take a completely different scenario) suggests a
civ that will spread widely and very fast, but not do many sims. Data
from SETI, astronomy and a better understanding of our own cultural
development might help put constraints here.
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