RE: Fermi "Paradox"

From: Robert J. Bradbury (bradbury@aeiveos.com)
Date: Mon Aug 04 2003 - 17:38:07 MDT

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    On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Rafal Smigrodzki wrote:

    > ### But if they are so mean, why wouldn't they kill us just so, because they
    > can, instead of waiting until we step over a line we can't see?

    Because, *if* the Galactic Club is "extropic" (and I really really
    hope that they are because if they aren't, most of the discussions
    on this list are pointless) -- then a developing civilization *may*
    be very useful for the initiation of a unique evolutionary vector
    in the phase space of ideas (be them anything from nanotech part
    designs to principles of physics). [Perhaps related to the ideas
    that it is the "young people" that make the really significant
    contributions to science.]

    So long as we don't misbehave we are more valuable (from an extropic
    standpoint) alive than dead. If we behave properly (not sending
    self-replicating probes out to "rape" the galaxy) then humanity can be
    viewed as a positive asset rather than a negative asset.

    And we *will* be able to "see the line". Due to the observational
    capabilities of any advanced civilization we will know what is
    out there (with the limits of the time delays imposed by the
    speed-of-light). If there *is* a "Galactic Club" (and Steven
    Dick has recently argued it may be billions of years old) then
    unless their science allows them to escape from the universe
    it is highly probable we will be able to see them.

    Would you (as a pilgrim for example) have attempted to colonize
    the United States if you knew the native american population
    were armed with nuclear weapons to defend themselves?

    The space beyond 50 AU from the sun could have thousands of weapons
    primed and ready to bomb the solar system with small black holes
    generated "on demand"; or hurl neutronium into the sun to
    turn it into a supernova; or make up your favorite sci-fi
    destruction scenario. If there is even a *remote* possibility
    that there are civilizations out there billions of years older
    than we are it makes sense to make sure whatever we intend to
    do is ok with them before we engage in activity that might even
    slightly piss them off. To not do so, I believe as the British
    might put it, would make you a "bloody fool".

    Robert



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