Re: Are Extropians promoters of an ascetic ideal and alienation?

From: Samantha Atkins (samantha@objectent.com)
Date: Sun Aug 03 2003 - 10:49:48 MDT

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    On Saturday 02 August 2003 01:13, Anders Sandberg wrote:
    > On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 11:15:49PM -0400, p_chikara@hotmail.com wrote:
    > > What would be the best answer to someone who would say that the primo
    > > body and mind uploading are allegoric figures that transhumanists and
    > > extropians are offering that permits to fantasm a body removed from it's
    > > attaches with the present, the here and now, impossible bodies, wich
    > > makes them promoter of an ascetic ideal, who hates the body and the flesh
    > > (and are possibly even worse than christians at it, with their angels
    > > without nose or phallus) and consequently alienation (alienation is to
    > > be understood here as "being estranged to oneself").
    >
    > There are certainly transhumanists who partially share these beliefs (I
    > would call them cybergnostics); like any good criticism it has some
    > truth.

    Well, lets face it. Our bodies as they are today are not exactly a source of
    unmitigated joy. Any intelligent person would desire to make them less
    troublesome wherever possible. Some might desire to design new bodies from
    sscratch. Exactly how is this imminently sane appraisal and thinking outside
    the "box" supposed to be a sign of some self-hatred, alienation or
    cultishness? The very question seems to use words in a meaningless manner.

    - samantha



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