Re: [INGRAM] RE: Campbell's Genocide sucks

From: Party of Citizens (citizens@vcn.bc.ca)
Date: Sat Aug 02 2003 - 17:34:01 MDT

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    On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 foxy1@uniserve.com wrote:

    > Hmm. I'm not saying that there aren't people who have died, by suicide or
    > other methods such as freezing to death, because of the actions of Gordo's
    > liberals (lack of capitalization intentional) but until I am provided with
    > details of such, I can't see how actions, even outraged emails citing such
    > "deaths" can succeed, let alone legal action.

    There are at least two stages under which prosecution could proceed under
    Sections 318 and 319 against Premier Gordon Campbell and his accomplices
    in government. The first stage is the "anti-hate stage". Chief
    Ahenakew of Saskatchewan has been charged according to this provision. He
    certainly did not have the means to carry out an action which would have
    annihilated the entire identifiable group (Jews) but his words are
    arguably those which would incite hate and destructive action toward that
    identifiable group and on a probability basis, that could cost lives.

    Thus the first part of the argument against Campbell et al before the
    Citizens' Court of Justice would be that they are inciting hatred toward
    an identifiable group, ie poor people. After all, what could be more
    hateful than saying the lives of these people are not worth so much as a
    crumb from the table at government expense, after April 1/04? What if
    Ahenakew from any social position had said that about Jews or any other
    identifiable group? That would certainly be added to his list of hate
    comments. And remember that Campbell is saying this from a position of
    power. Moreover, HE IS ACTING ON THIS POLICY with programs which will take
    effect soon. So he is far more advanced in his hate campaign than
    Ahenakew.

    On BC Rants we could ask Fred if his calling a member of the targeted
    group, Marcus MacGregor an "arsehole" and otherwise saying the life of a
    Marcus is not worth spit, is fostered in part by Campbell's genocidal
    policies and programs. BTW, Marcus is at a dangerous point in his hunger
    strike, past the 20 day mark when some organs like kidneys can start to
    fail. Is Marcus an early victim of Campbell's genocide? Certainly his life
    is at risk as Bobby Sands died after 40 days of a hunger strike.

    > So if anybody has details of such deaths, would they kindly give them

    The second stage of the argument before the Citizens' Court of Justice is
    that Campbell et al are acting in such a way which could reasonably be
    expected to cost lives on a probability basis. You have heard the argument
    that Campbell et al are inflicting a MEDICALLY DIAGNOSABLE ILLNESS in the
    identifiable group, ie Adjustment Disorder (DSM). If you doubt that, ask
    for other expert opinions. Ask Mayor Dr. Larry "I will do anything to save
    a life" Campbell. Ask the BC Medical Association.

    Like other serious illnesses, if you have a large enough identifiable
    group and enough time, you will get fatalities: for AD as well as Hep C or
    SARS or what have you. Have there been such fatalites? Maybe. But who is
    making an effort to find out? MHR is doing its Exit Surveys for the
    opposite purpose, ie to COVER UP the crime. They locate 1/3 of the
    "exiters" (from welfare) and crow about how well they are doing. But
    "high end" exiters have always done well. MHR is making no concerted
    effort to find the 2/3 who are "missing persons" in their books. If MHR
    were concerned, they would give police a random sample from the 2/3 and
    say, We are concerned that these might be missing persons like the dozens
    of women still missing who are thought to have been additional victims of
    the the accused serial murderer, Pickton.

    Do we know if some of the 2/3 are on police missing persons records? No
    ...and so far nobody has tried to find out how successful Campbell has
    been at targeting an identifiable group which just by coincidence voted
    "the wrong way" in 2001. How many has this serial murderer premier
    successfully murdered so far? If none, then just give him and the Fascist
    Freds enough time.

    POC

    > FL
    >
    > At 01:48 PM 8/2/03 -0700, you wrote:
    > >
    > >On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Lee Corbin wrote:
    > >
    > > > Party of Citizens writes
    > > >
    > > > > > Genocide (n): The systematic and planned extermination of an entire
    > > > > > national, racial, political, or ethnic group.
    > > > >
    > > > > Correction...Canada's anti-genocide/anti-hate laws are wisely
    > > designed for
    > > > > prevention and early intervention. Planning extinction of an entire
    > > > > "identifiable group" is not required. Sections 318 and 319 of the
    > > Criminal
    > > > > Code can be invoked and have been invoked at early stages of hate
    > > targeted
    > > > > on identifiable groups.
    > > >
    > > > That sounds like progress, although an amendment should be
    > > > passed saying that it is okay to hate *certain* groups.
    > >
    > >The legislation refers to "identifiable groups" in those words and it
    > >lists groups identified by ethnicity, race, religion and colour as
    > >examples. But it does not say this is an exhaustive list of protected
    > >groups. Nor does it say that there are identifiable groups which cannot be
    > >targeted with hate messages. For example, it does not say we cannot by law
    > >hate serial murderers. The Acts also protect free speech by saying that
    > >fair comment in the context of political-religious discussion is allowed.
    > >
    > >Overall, it seems the PRINCIPLES OF JUSTICE prevail in these Acts. For
    > >example, even though garden gnomes and other vertically challenged people
    > >are not given explicit protection by the Acts, a campaign of hate and
    > >targeting for destruction against the vertically challenged in Canada
    > >could be prosecuted under this legislation; or the current campaign of
    > >hate which the present BC Government has targeted on poor people. This
    > >list does not want to hear our local political-judicial issues but we may
    > >have proof by Olympics 2010 that the Campbell Government has killed more
    > >innocent citizens than any serial killer in North American history. It
    > >will then receive the attention of the world.
    > >
    > >Just follow the links from Campbell's Olympic Gold for Serial Murder on
    > >POC's home page. The proof will be in the facts which we have by 2010.
    > >
    > >POC
    > ><http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens>



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