Re: Radical Suggestions

From: Kevin Freels (megaquark@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Jul 25 2003 - 22:11:54 MDT

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     The "reality" of Hitler should have been dealt with any time from
    > 1921 when he took over the "German Workers Party" to 1924 when
    > "Mein Kampf" was written to 1938 when the Czechoslovakian
    > absorption was begun or 1939 the tragedy in Poland began [1].
    >
    > The question becomes precisely "How much *reality* do you want?".

    Good question. I think that once it is established that he is willing to
    take his ideas to the point of action, he should be removed. Saddam was a
    killer, no doubt about that. This was a good enough reason to remove him.
    All that talk of "weapons of mass destruction" and "preemptive strike" make
    sense because of his previous actions.

    Here is something I read about North Korea:

    Soon also reported that the bodies of hundreds of prisoners served as
    fertilizer for orchards that produced especially large and sweet apples,
    pears, peaches and plums reserved for senior party and police officials. She
    herself was there when 150 prisoners were buried under these trees.

    She said that in the meantime, prisoners were kept starving to such a degree
    that they ate the raw flesh of rats they had caught coming out of their
    latrine holes. She described special punishment cells, 24 inches wide and 44
    inches high, where people were confined for seven to 10 days, without being
    able to stand up straight, or sit or lie down.

    Such confinement was the penalty for "offenses such as leaving an oily mark
    on clothes, failing to memorize the president's New Year message or repeated
    failure to meet work quotas."

    "When the prisoners are released from the cells, their legs are badly bent,
    with frostbite in the winter, and so they can hardly work," Soon went on.
    "Many victims are permanently crippled from lack of adequate exercise and
    eventually died as a result of the work resumed immediately after the
    lease."
    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/5/7/120250.shtml

    This to me is enough justification to go in and rid the world of these evil
    people. I have no problem with the US working as a world police force. I
    wonder at times, what right we have to judge other countries by our
    standards, but then I remember that I have concluded that all human beings,
    and most other living things, are entitled to a life free of unnecessary
    killing and torture. (I have yet to establish at which point I draw the line
    here on other animals). I see nothing wrong with removing such people from
    power or killing those who defend these jerks from our troops.

    Still, I see it as a matter of punishment for past atrocities rather than
    preventing further ones.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Robert J. Bradbury" <bradbury@aeiveos.com>
    To: <extropians@extropy.org>
    Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 6:05 PM
    Subject: Re: Radical Suggestions

    >
    > On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Kevin Freels wrote:
    >
    > > When carrying out a preemptive strike, we are only weighing
    possibilities,
    > > not realities.
    >
    > Yes, but one can watch the reality and be prepared to remove it
    > should that prove necessary.
    >
    > The "reality" of Hitler should have been dealt with any time from
    > 1921 when he took over the "German Workers Party" to 1924 when
    > "Mein Kampf" was written to 1938 when the Czechoslovakian
    > absorption was begun or 1939 the tragedy in Poland began [1].
    >
    > The question becomes precisely "How much *reality* do you want?".
    >
    > I'm sure we could go through the same exercise with Japan's
    > behavior in China and/or Korea in the late 19th and early
    > part of the 20th centuries.
    >
    > Now the interesting observation (IMO) would appear to be that
    > Britian and the U.S. appear to have learned the lesson that
    > you have to remove the source of the problem before it becomes
    > something that is so large that it is very difficult to deal with,
    > while France and Germany have not.
    >
    > Also of interest might be a comparison between whether the
    > U.S. is now treating North Korea the way Britian and/or France
    > treated Germany in the 1930's...
    >
    > For you younger folks on the list -- study your history -- your
    > survival may depend upon it.
    >
    > Robert
    >
    > 1. I did a host of googles on this, but this was particularly
    > telling: "Reflections on the 60th Anniversary of the Invasion
    > of Poland and the Beginning of World War II", Michael Blichasz,
    > President Polish American Congress:
    > http://members.aol.com/poloniasfo/60THANNI.HTM
    >
    >
    >



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