Re: Bryan Moss's recent posts

From: Bryan Moss (bryan.moss@dsl.pipex.com)
Date: Mon Jul 21 2003 - 08:45:50 MDT

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    Barbara Lamar wrote:

    > I agree with Damien about the value of Bryan's posts. Thank you for coming
    > back, Bryan. At the moment, I'd like to respond to two items you
    > discussed -- optimism and humility. You said : <<One of the general points
    > I'm trying to make here is that we need to foster a sense of humility.>>
    > and <<Optimism should be an excuse to work harder for the future, not an
    > excuse to sit back and do nothing.>>

    Thanks. I think the latter quote may be Harvey's.

    > I would slightly rephrase what you said about optimism, Bryan to this:
    > Optimism should be the *inspiration* to work harder for the future, not an
    > excuse to sit back and do nothing. Every entrepreneur I've ever met has
    > been wildly optimistic. One of my functions as a lawyer/CPA is to spill a
    > little rain on my clients' optimism, to the extent of pointing out
    > possible weaknesses in their plans possible rough spots they could run
    > into. This may be the sort of thing you mean when you say we need to
    > foster a sense of humility; but being aware of potential problems is not
    > the same thing as being humble.

    By "humility" I mean the acceptance of a certain pluralism; that is, don't
    assume your goals are (or should be) universal.

    > I would go so far as to say that too much humility is more likely to cause
    > inaction than too much pride. A humble person is more likely to have the
    > attitude that nothing she does can make any difference. Rather than
    > humility, I think we need to foster a sense of reality-based pride in
    > accomplishment and belief in every person's ability to make changes for
    > the better. Such changes can't all be listed on a general to-do list
    > (although such a list probably wouldn't be a bad idea), because many of
    > the changes are personal in nature. I liked something Anders said well
    > enough to repeat it here: <<As I see it the question "how can I get
    > involved?" can be turned into the question-tree: "Can I turn my current
    > activities and interests into something more useful? If not, do I want to
    > change them in such a direction?". Most people are going to find that the
    > first step actually gives plenty of room for practical action.>>

    The larger issue is the question of the status of futurism and the
    opposition of futurism (positing a future that we then work towards in
    order to find resolve/meaning) to a more immediate, situated activism (which
    I describe as, "an extropianism concerned with fidelity to those particular
    truths science has revealed about ourselves and our world and how they
    interact with our current situation [and culture]"). It's quite a radical
    thesis, and I'm not sure I explained it as well as I could. In simple
    terms: (1) I identify a problem with our futurism (the future we posit takes
    the form of its own fulfilment [in the "ultratechnologies"]); (2) I try to
    show how this is exactly so (this is admittedly the weakest part of my
    thesis; I begin with the claim that futurism entails a certain overarching
    monism and argue for a more active, pluralistic philosophy, but don't have a
    systematic account of how the sort of eschatological "self-fulfilment" I
    initially speak of comes about); and (3) I try to formulate a sort of
    anti-futurism, a philosophy that doesn't posit an exacting future, but
    contains all the positive aspects of extropianism. I suggest "humility," in
    the sense I describe above, as a kind of interim solution.

    In this sense, I don't think my suggestions are at odds with optimism or
    pride. The kind of humility I want to encourage is the kind that situates
    us within a horizon in which action can take place, a more human scale.

    BM



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