From: Reason (reason@exratio.com)
Date: Mon Jul 21 2003 - 03:00:43 MDT
So here we are in thread #2. I'm going to stamp these things with [GKES] to
be kind to those with filters who don't feel like joining in. So please,
folks, be nice and keep the [GKES] if we're talking about this stuff, ok? :)
Examples are good, I feel. Far easier for me to demonstrate the sort of
thing I think we need by showing you how the CR Society
(www.calorierestriction.org) does this. They post this thing once every week
or two weeks or so. Copyrighted you'll note, and reproduced completely
without permission, glee:
(I continue with my comments afterwards, so scroll down by all means).
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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:08:19 -0700
From: Lynn Martin <dayrain@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Information for newcomers
Here are some useful CR Society links (see CONTENTS below).
Browsing the WEB SITE and/or the FAQs will increase your CR
sophistication,
and then if you read whichever List posts interest you most, consulting the
GLOSSARY now and then along with other info mentioned below, your knowledge
and
science savvy will increase.
Sometimes a post's subject line indicates how technical the post is. If
you
see "tech:" right after the "[CR]," the post is probably pretty dense. Some
CR
List members are working scientists, and from time to time one of them
translates some source data into an easier-to-read discussion that benefits
us
all.
Comments/updates welcomed.
Lynn M., dayrain@earthlink.net.
CONTENTS (alphabetical):
-- ANTIOXIDANTS
-- ARCHIVES (including archive search instructions)
-- BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS
-- CHAT ROOMS
-- DIGEST MODE. See SUBSCRIPTION CHANGES
-- FAQs
-- GLOSSARY
-- HISTORY OF THE SOCIETY
-- POSTING (sending a message to the list)
-- RECEIVING TOO MANY CR MESSAGES?
-- RECIPES
-- RESEARCH STUDY (human, now underway)
-- SUBSCRIBING
-- SUBSCRIPTION CHANGES
-- SUPPLEMENTS
-- UNSUBSCRIBING
-- VIDEO / SOUND CLIPS
-- WEB SITE OF THE CR SOCIETY
ANTIOXIDANTS
Although it seems clear that calorie restriction gives greater health
benefits than supplementation does, many List members take antioxidants as
dietary SUPPLEMENTS.
Lester Packer's book /The Antioxidant Miracle/ sets forth his research
(UC
Berkeley) and that of others into the human body's antioxidant network, in
which
one nutrient regenerates another for sustained power against ROS (Reactive
Oxygen Species, AKA "free radicals"). The book also tells how genes aren't
just
for reproduction. Sections can be read online starting at
http://tinyurl.com/801h (or at copy-and-paste URL
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0471353116/ref=lib_dp_sp_1/104
-044
8161-0042300?v=glance&s=books&vi=slide-show#reader-link).
Published in 1999, the book fails to make the important newer distinction
between alpha-lipoic acid (aLA) and R(+)-lipoic acid (R-lipoic, R-LA,
RLA)--but
the difference is laid out in the CR Society ARCHIVES.
ARCHIVES
To find archives of posts made to this List (or to the CR-Meta list), click
on
http://lists.calorierestriction.org/
or start at the Society's WEB SITE and click on the "Archives" link at the
top
of the page.
Instructions for searching the archives for info on a specific topic are at
http://lists.calorierestriction.org/cgi-bin/wa?SHOWTPL=SEARCH-HELP&L=crsocieqmai
ty.
BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS
-- For a good layman's book discussing genes and antioxidants, see
ANTIOXIDANTS.
--*Beyond the 120 Year Diet* by Roy Walford, M.D., tells about the evidence
showing that CR works, and describes the program in detail, with a good deal
of helpful information. For more information and online ordering, see
http://walford.com/books.htm. Please be skeptical, though, where you see
veal
meat spoken well of as a food. I suspect the author wasn't aware--most
people
aren't--of the excessive cruelty required for veal production
(www.peta.org/mc/facts/fsveg4.html).
(See also related reader's comment at the end of this message.)
CHAT ROOMS
Chat was crackling for a while but has lessened. There could be a
renaissance
at any time. Waiting for a scheduled chat might be the best bet for now --
watch the List for announcements.
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IRC Chat Rooms
--Access IRC chat rooms by starting at the Society's WEB SITE and clicking
on
the "Chatroom" link at the top of the page. (Or go directly to
http://chat.calorierestriction.org.)
-- A window will appear asking, "Do you want to install and run jIRC
applet...?"
Say yes.
-- In the "Welcome to ... StarChat...." window, change the name in the blue
Nick
Name field from "Guest" to your chosen nickname.
-- Hit "Connect now!"
-- Type your comments into the long narrow field at the bottom of the chat
text
area and press "Enter."
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ParaChat Chat Room (little used now, I think)
-- Access ParaChat by clicking on
http://chat.calorierestriction.org/parachat1.html.
-- Type whatever alphanumeric "name" you like in the yellow User Name field.
-- Click "OK, Connect!"
-- Type your comments into the long narrow field near screen bottom and
press
"Enter."
DIGEST MODE
See SUBSCRIPTION CHANGES below.
FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) are answered at
www.calorierestriction.org/faq_all.htm.
GLOSSARY
For a glossary of terms frequently used on the list, click on
www.calorierestriction.org/CR_Glossary.htm.
HISTORY OF THE SOCIETY
There's a brief recent history of Society advances at
http://www.calorierestriction.org/whatsnew_atTheCRS.htm.
POSTING
To post an email message to the list, send your message to
crsociety@LISTS.CALORIERESTRICTION.ORG.
REPLYING TO A POST:
--SAVING SPACE: Clicking "reply" probably appends the whole original
message
to your reply. To prevent cluttering up the archives with redundancies,
edit
out all but sender, date, subject, and parts of the message that are
especially
pertinent to your own message.
--SUBJECT FIELD: If in replying to a post you add or change even one
character of the Subject field--even to remove an extra space or correct a
misspelled word--you make it harder for a future archives reader to follow
the
whole thread. (If the discussion's meandered, though, maybe it's time
to change the Subject field so it describes the new topic.)
RECEIVING TOO MANY CR MESSAGES?
If too many posts are flooding into your Inbox, consider changing to digest
mode
(see SUBSCRIPTION CHANGES below). Or, if your email reader permits, you can
set
up a filter (message handling rule) that automatically routes incoming
CR posts into a designated folder/directory.
RECIPES
The Society's online cookbook automatically calculates a nutrition profile
for
each recipe.
To read recipes, go to
http://recipes.calorierestriction.org/default.view.
To have one of yours put online, email it to
Joe C. (crsociety@diethacker.com).
(You can enter it yourself, starting at
http://recipes.calorierestriction.org/AddressBook/signup/signup.view,
but some difficulties with the process are being worked out.)
RESEARCH STUDY (human)
For participation in or information about the Human Calorie Restriction
Study
currently underway, go to
www.calorierestriction.org/our_studies/cr_study_intro.htm.
SUBSCRIBING
To start a new subscription to the CR Society's email List,
(1) Go to "Join or leave the CRSOCIETY list" at
http://lists.calorierestriction.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=crsociety&A=1
(2) Enter your email address and your name.
(3) Select the options you want--there's a pertinent discussion under
SUBSCRIPTION CHANGES below (or leave the default options in place);
(4) Click "Join the list."
(5) Wait for a "confirmation request" email message to arrive.
(6) Click on its link.
SUBSCRIPTION CHANGES
You can change from regular mode (receiving lots of separate messages
every
day) to a digest mode (receiving just one "digest" containing the day's
messages) or vice versa. Of the digest formats, the one called "Digest
(HTML
format) [HTML DIGEST]" has a nice table of contents and will probably be
most
satisfactory unless your browser is quite old.
Other subscription changes offered involve mail header style, type of
acknowledgement for posts you send, temporary disabling of CR list mail
delivery, and address concealment.
In my experience, the only always-reliable way to make a subscription
change
is to unsubscribe (see UNSUBSCRIBING below) and then subscribe again (see
SUBSCRIBING above), choosing the desired options when you re-subscribe. If
you
wait 'til after 10 pm USA Pacific Time, you probably won't miss any posts
during
the brief time you're unsubscribed. You can make sure you haven't by
checking
with another List member, or by checking the ARCHIVES--though it can take
some
days for the archives to be updated.
SUPPLEMENTS
Research has uncovered reasons why it's best to obtain nutrients from
food
wherever possible. Research also shows that in some cases (antioxidant
vitamin
E complex, etc.) food alone can't supply enough. The List and the ARCHIVES
hold
discussions of studies done on supplemental molecules including benfotiamin
(inhibitor of Advanced Glycation Endproduct formation), bone/artery
nutrients
vitamin K2 and strontium (non-radioactive!), and some of the ANTIOXIDANTS
(which
are not interchangeable!)--as well as dangers involved in supplementing
certain
vitamin A and E molecules.
For more information about demonstrated-value supplements, including
criteria
for deciding which companies to trust, and a product/price list for (mostly)
A*O*R* supplements, contact Lynn Martin at dayrain@earthlink.net.
Disclaimer: These statements do not reflect Food and Drug
Administration
approval of any scientific research, and neither they nor products mentioned
are
intended as medical advice/treatment. Each person must make his/her own
decision about nutritional supplements and would do well to consult research
reports and well-informed health professional(s).
Disclosure: The writer of this post is a distributor of anti-aging
dietary
supplements, and has a financial interest in this activity.
UNSUBSCRIBING
You might consider changing to a "digest" version of the posts, which
you'd
receive as just one email message per day (see SUBSCRIPTION CHANGES above).
If you want to unsubscribe:
(1) Go to "Join or leave the CRSOCIETY list" at
http://lists.calorierestriction.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=crsociety&A=1
(2) Enter your email address and click "Leave the list."
(3) Wait one to fifteen minutes for a "confirmation request" email
message
to arrive in your Inbox. (Steps 3 and 4 prevent someone else from
unsubscribing
you without permission.)
(4) Click on the link in the confirmation request to complete the
unsubscription process.
VIDEO / SOUND CLIPS
Downloadable clips of CR Society members in the media are found at
http://www.calorierestriction.org/whatsnew_CR_in_Media.htm.
WEB SITE OF THE CR SOCIETY
For extensive information about CR, click on
www.calorierestriction.org/index.htm.
The Web site is undergoing revision and may look cluttered for a while --
but
the information is there.
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Veal is a cruel food: http://www.peta.org/mc/facts/fsveg4.html.
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For obtaining food that's better from nutritional, social, political,
economic,
and ethical standpoints, try researching local sources. The site at
www.westonaprice.org may help.)
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Search terms: bones osteoporosis (SUPPLEMENTS)
Copyright 2003 Lynn Martin
Distributor of AOR supplements.
Product list and research information sent upon request.
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Oh, and the PETA slipped in there too. All sales pitches. Hmm. Still,
steering by committee will do that to you.
Here's the pertinent reductionist points that I think would be useful to
include in our version of this here miniFAQ:
1) It points you to places where you can find more information about the
list hosting organization
2) It tells you a little bit about the list hosting organization
3) It tells you a little bit about the list culture, rules and "rules", what
to expect, how to deal
4) It points you to places online to read more about what the list is there
to discuss
5) It points you to other places online where this topic is also discussed
6) It answers the few beginner-level questions that can arise; how to
unsubscribe, answers to the first thing everyone asks, where's the bathroom,
etc.
Basically, what we're after is something that jumps you directly from the
functional equivalent of [clueless newbie who joined after one scan of the
ExI site] to [someone who's lurked and actually listened for a month or
two]. I don't think that should be terribly hard to do in two pages or so.
Very valuable thing to have.
So, pitch in with comments, because a draft will be coming from me if you
don't -- and trust me, you don't want that without the comments first.
Reason
http://www.exratio.com/
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