Re: META: take a pint or two [was: ExI principles: people left behind?]

From: Anders Sandberg (asa@nada.kth.se)
Date: Sun Jul 20 2003 - 18:07:43 MDT

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    This is an interesting idea. I think it has a degree of truth to it,
    although it is not complete. If I have an idea about biorobotics I would
    probably email it, saying something like "Maybe Robert can tell us if
    this is likely to work..." or even directly posing it as a question to
    you. But there is also an inhibitory component, especially to people who
    are post-newbies but not yet feel at home enought to dare bother
    luminaries (the same happens at conferences too).

    But I doubt it is a major contributor to the vaunted list quality
    problem. I'm starting to think that the *real* cause is that we have a
    bad success / aspiration ratio. It is not that we are unsuccessful, but
    that we expect to be *far more* successful! As our aspirations go to
    infinity, our list-self-esteem goes to zero. This is why I think
    considering this list as an intellectual salon helps: reduce the
    aspiration to a more manageable level, and people get encouraged by a
    better list-self-esteem to do things.

    On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 09:57:58AM -0700, Robert J. Bradbury wrote:
    >
    > Over time, it would appear to me that people get to know the
    > list participants sufficiently that a self-imposed behavioral
    > framework develops...
    >
    > a) Never open a debate with Eliezer on topics related to AI;
    > b) Never open a debate with Anders on Ethics (and perhaps a
    > host of other topics);
    > c) Never open a debate with Robin on Economics or Physics;
    > d) Never open a debate with Mike on freedom or liberty;
    > e) Never open a debate with Spike on rocket science,
    > motorcycles or prime numbers,
    > f) Never open a philisophical debate with a whole host of people;
    > etc.
    >
    > Such debates might be of interest (educational value) to the
    > average list member but the probability that your horse is
    > going to get tripped up before it even gets out of the gate
    > is so high (for the individual proposing the debate) that
    > makes it a relatively worthless effort to even bring it
    > to the track.

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