Re: Why Does Self-Discovery Require a Journey?

From: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky (sentience@pobox.com)
Date: Mon Jul 07 2003 - 17:55:07 MDT

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    Robin Hanson wrote:
    >
    > It seems to me that an alternative hypothesis should be entertained:
    > that we are greatly self-deceived about what we want. Maybe the things
    > we actually want are typically not as noble as the things we want to
    > believe that we want. Maybe we really want social approval more than we
    > admit, for example. But believing ourselves to be noble may help us to
    > convince others that we are noble, and so to convince them to associate
    > with us. Also, we may want to believe that our career/spouse/etc. is
    > just the sort of career or spouse we wanted, so that we can reassure our
    > associates that we are not considering switching careers/spouses/etc.
    >
    > This alternative hypothesis suggests that most literary journeys of
    > self-discovery are really aids to self-delusion, helping people tell
    > themselves comforting stories about themselves. Real journeys of
    > self-discovery would largely be dark affairs, wherein mounting evidence
    > forced people to believe ignoble things about themselves that they would
    > rather not tell others. And those who do struggle over decades to learn
    > the truth about what people want, and who are willing to tell others,
    > would face largely indifferent or hostile audiences. Young optimists
    > would have evolved to ignore the claims of old cynics, since the young
    > optimists of the past who did not were less attractive as mates and
    > associates.

    This definition of "want" seems to me to be one of the classically
    postulated failure modes in genie stories - defining what people "really
    want" as including wants they would not want to want. If someone does not
    want to want something, it is not "help" to satisfy that want. I would
    say that volition and its satisfaction should be defined by taking the
    renormalized goal system into account, including people's aspirations to
    be better people. It is not helpful if a genie defines your "wish" by
    reference to your dark, repressed desires, and in fact, it is not helpful
    if a genie defines your "wish" by inducing features of your apparent de
    facto preferences which you would reject if you understood them.

    What is the purpose of self-discovery if not self-alteration?

    -- 
    Eliezer S. Yudkowsky                          http://singinst.org/
    Research Fellow, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
    


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