META: Dishonest debate (was "cluster bombs")

From: Harvey Newstrom (mail@HarveyNewstrom.com)
Date: Wed Jun 11 2003 - 11:34:07 MDT

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    Ron (Dehede011@aol.com) wrote,
    > In a message dated 6/11/2003 3:47:33 AM Central Standard Time,
    > amara@amara.com quotes: Amara, Have you noticed we haven't carpet
    > bombed Iraq with cluster bombs. Cluster bombs like any other
    > weapon are intended for specific targets. We haven't had those
    > targets and hence have not used the weapons. You've been
    > listening to the Hate America First crowd again. Ron h.
    >
    > Amara,
    > And you are still listening to that crowd. Did you notice
    > I used the term "carpet bombing?" In other words there had not
    > been any mass use of cluster bombs. I gather from reading the
    > article you enclosed that you know that.
    > The use of those bombs was very limited.

    Ron, your original claim quoted above was that "We haven't had those targets
    and hence have not used the weapons." Amara proved you wrong. It is
    misleading to reinterpret your original claim to say that "The use of those
    bombs was very limited." This is not what you said. It is dishonest to
    blame Amara for this misunderstanding when it is you who changed positions
    after the evidence was presented.

    Secondly, your repeated ad hominem against Amara violates the list rules and
    should stop. There is no evidence that Amara hates America or listens to
    those who do. Your level of emotion and insult is out of proportion to
    Amara's calm and rational style. You are adding unnecessary heat and
    emotion into the debate. Whether you agree with me or not, this is in the
    list rules that you agreed to follow when you joined the list.

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