From: John K Clark (jonkc@att.net)
Date: Fri Jun 06 2003 - 10:53:28 MDT
"Jeff Davis" <jrd1415@yahoo.com>
>I'm saying if somebody hates you and does
>something incredibly bad to you, there's likely gonna
>be a reason behind it.
Yes there are reasons for hate, and sometimes the reason is that the
attackers are rotten stupid bastards; or are you going to tell me with a
straight face that evil does not exist?
>I can't think that they concern themselves too very much with strangers
>in faraway lands. [...] I can see the fueling of a desire to have more,
>to have what we have, and envy as well, even strong envy.
>But homicidal hatred? I don't see it.
Then explain why Islamic leaders promised a big reward to anyone who killed
Salman Rushdie and mobs in the street screamed for his blood when all the
poor man did was write a book published in a faraway land.
> I was just starting at the beginning. Too far back?
> Ok. How about Nov 2, 1917?
The Balfour Declaration, big deal, I'm not even going to debate if it was a
good idea or not, the point is every people have a history of evil and
injustice done to them but not every people turn into homicidal maniacs; you
don't see Jews crashing airliners into German skyscrapers and they have a
much better and more recent reason to be angry than the puny little Balfour
Declaration.
> How far back can I go? What are the rules on this?
The rules are to find something in history, something in the way the west
treated Islam that was so unusually horrible, so much worse and more recent
than the Holocaust that it explains their unique rage today. Good luck.
>Let's leave Indonesia out of it.
No. If you're correct and their intense mind numbing rage is caused by ill
treatment by the west and is not intrinsic to their dogma then you need to
explain why Indonesian Muslims hate the west every bit as much as Arab
Muslims do. No doubt if you're skillful with Google you'll be able to find
some little two bit massacre of Indonesians a century or two ago but you'll
have to do better than that. The one thing the two groups have in common
is their religion and I don't think it's unreasonable to draw a conclusion
from that.
John K Clark jonkc@att.net
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