RE: The DA again

From: Harvey Newstrom (mail@HarveyNewstrom.com)
Date: Tue Jun 03 2003 - 20:21:30 MDT

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    Robin Hanson wrote,
    > >In the case of the Doomsday Argument, which purports to do statistical
    > >analysis on all populations past and future, we would need to pull random
    > >samples from all time periods including past and future.
    >
    > No law says that statistical analyses require random samples.

    Agreed. But I think DA implies random sampling. Part of the argument seems
    to be, "What are the chances that a random sampling of all possible people
    would choose me this early in our development?" It implies that random
    sampling had occurred from all future possibilities and then tries to
    explain why such an early sample was obtained. If we concede that our
    current sampling methods can't reach into the future and are limited to the
    current time or earlier, then there is no explanation needed for why future
    samples did not result.

    > The argument that data from the past can never support inferences about
    > the future would prevent us from ever drawing conclusions about
    > the future.

    To clarify, I think that data from the past does not represent future
    states. Extrapolating trends from the past definitely can predict future
    states. As such, our ever-expanding civilization predicts that we will grow
    larger and older indefinitely into the future. This is the opposite
    conclusion than DA reaches. The reason is that DA is not using past data to
    predict future trends. It tries to use past data samples to represent
    future data sampling, which fails.

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    Harvey Newstrom, CISSP, IAM, GSEC, IBMCP
    <www.HarveyNewstrom.com> <www.Newstaff.com>
    


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