Re: evolution and its implications.

From: Anders Sandberg (asa@nada.kth.se)
Date: Mon Jun 02 2003 - 17:25:47 MDT

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    On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 02:04:38AM +0400, naccts wrote:
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    > The core of my ramblings is this: Isn't it a natural proccess that
    > there should always be superiors and inferiors? Or else how can there
    > be any evolution/progress? If all entities were equal, wouldn't that
    > mean stagnancy and eventually enthropy?

    "Should" is a troublesome word. Should as in a moral ought, or should as
    in always present? And why the assumption that evolution is always good
    or present? (The last sentence has a partial answer: without evolution
    random drift is likely to decrease average fitness)

    > Evolution, the way I understand it, involves changes, differences.

    Yes. Or at least differential selection. However, the amount of
    variability in the genome that produces the maximal expected increase in
    fitness varies over time. Imagine a fitness landscape with a single
    peak in the otherwise fairly flat surface, and a population starting
    somewhere down on the plain. At the start the optimal variance is very
    high, but most individuals have the same fitness. Then a few find the
    foothills of the mountain, and the differences in fitness between
    individuals increase. As the population climbs the mountain the optimal
    variance decreases, since the maximum is more likely closer than far
    away. Eventually the population ends up on the top and variance should
    be very small - there is no more fitness to find, and everybody has
    nearly the same fitness again.

    So the thing to look for is not differences in *outcome* but differences
    in *opportunity*, which cause the former.

    > If we want to evolve, does
    > that mean that at some time, we will have to consider the rest of
    > humanity as inferiors (lower on the
    > intellectual/emotional/physical/etc chain)? How does that fit into
    > our ethical code of conduct?

    Why assume a chain (i.e. a scalar fitness)? Things are far more
    multidimensional, and one can evolve towards many different niches and
    goals. I do not see a chain of being as a goal, but rather an immense
    tree of clades.

    Besides, why assume evolution to be the goal? As I see it the transhuman
    goal is improvement of the human condition, but that is a process that
    we seek to take control over rather than leave to impersonal forces.
    Evolution is a *means* to an end ((trans)human happiness), not an end in
    itself. We will seek the best tools available for autoevolution, but
    since it is such a complex process with many potential goals and
    non-obvious dead-ends we need a diversity of approaches in order to find
    the best ways to do it. Hence it would be a waste to not cooperate with
    the majority, since they have the diversity resources to try
    alternatives (beside the more obvious economic and political resources).

    Looking down on people is self medication for low self-esteem, but it is
    not a cure.

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