Re: IRAQ: Weapons of Mass Delusion

From: Jeff Davis (jrd1415@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Jun 01 2003 - 15:34:39 MDT

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    Extropes,

    You'll recall Damiens's post of several days ago

    --- Damien Broderick <damienb@unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
    > Well, gee:
    >
    >
    http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/31/1054177767278.html
    >
    > Doubt on key war claims

    Here's something similar:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/wmd05292003.html

    May 29, 2003

    Weapons of Mass Destruction:
    Who Said What When
    CounterPunch Wire

    Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein
    now has weapons of mass destruction.

    Dick Cheney August 26, 2002

    Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities
    that were used for the production of biological
    weapons.

    George W. Bush September 12, 2002

    If he declares he has none, then we will know that
    Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.

    Ari Fleischer December 2, 2002

    We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

    Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003

    Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam
    Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500
    tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

    George W. Bush January 28, 2003

    We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his
    weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make
    more.

    Colin Powell February 5, 2003

    We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein
    recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use
    chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator
    tells us he does not have.

    George Bush February 8, 2003

    So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq
    of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership
    in Baghdad? I think our judgment has to be clearly
    not.

    Colin Powell March 8, 2003

    Intelligence gathered by this and other governments
    leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to
    possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons
    ever devised.

    George Bush March 17, 2003

    Well, there is no question that we have evidence and
    information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction,
    biological and chemical particularly . . . all this
    will be made clear in the course of the operation, for
    whatever duration it takes.

    Ari Fleisher March 21, 2003

    There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein
    possesses weapons of mass destruction. As this
    operation continues, those weapons will be identified,
    found, along with the people who have produced them
    and who guard them.

    Gen. Tommy Franks March 22, 2003

    I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of
    weapons of mass destruction.

    Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board , March 23, 2003

    One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the
    WMD. There are a number of sites.

    Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark March 22, 2003

    We know where they are. They are in the area around
    Tikrit and Baghdad.

    Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003

    Obviously the administration intends to publicize all
    the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find --
    and there will be plenty.

    Neocon scholar Robert Kagan April 9, 2003

    I think you have always heard, and you continue to
    hear from officials, a measure of high confidence
    that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be
    found.

    Ari Fleischer April 10, 2003

    We are learning more as we interrogate or have
    discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within
    the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some,
    perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.

    George Bush April 24, 2003

    There are people who in large measure have information
    that we need . . . so that we can track down the
    weapons of mass destruction in that country.

    Donald Rumsfeld April 25, 2003

    We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.

    George Bush May 3, 2003

    I am confident that we will find evidence that makes
    it clear he had weapons of mass destruction.

    Colin Powell May 4, 2003

    I never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of
    mass destruction in that country.

    Donald Rumsfeld May 4, 2003

    I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons
    program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons
    program.

    George W. Bush May 6, 2003

    U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to
    open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.

    Condoleeza Rice May 12, 2003

    I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years
    ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were
    chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were
    destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're
    still hidden.

    Maj. Gen. David Petraeus,
    Commander 101st Airborne May 13, 2003

    Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that
    Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,
    biological and chemical. I expected them to be found.
    I still expect them to be found.

    Gen. Michael Hagee,
    Commandant of the Marine Corps May 21, 2003

    Given time, given the number of prisoners now that
    we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to
    find weapons of mass destruction.

    Gen. Richard Myers,
    Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff May 26, 2003

    They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't
    know the answer.

    Donald Rumsfeld May 27, 2003

    For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue,
    weapons of mass destruction (as justification for
    invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone
    could agree on.

    Paul Wolfowitz May 28, 2003

           ------------------------------------

    The warm and fuzzy ethical truism -- "the end doesn't
    justify the means" -- is a cobweb. Swept aside by the
    bedrock of realpolitik: violence.

    Practically speaking, the deed is done, the "end" of
    Saddam is an accomplished fact. By itself an
    unalloyed plus and a clear victory for George Bush.
    So far so good. Regarding deceit as tool to enable
    the war: fugeddaboddit(sp?). Victory will reformulate
    the "ethical" equation. At some primitive place in
    the human psyche victory defines ethics. Winning is
    everything.

    Fascinating.

    But the fat lady is nowhere in sight. And bet on it,
    there will be surprises. Fun stuff, and not
    necessarily bad (depending on how you define "bad" of
    course), neither.

    One possible source of surprises:

    The neocons have their agenda. If they can get the
    American troops out of the way, which is to say get a
    puppet regime in place, complete with an effective and
    disciplined security force, then they can temporarily
    have their way. But if US troops stay to implement
    the "nation building"/reconstruction, then genuine
    American values will be--inadvertently--taught at the
    grass roots, and the neocon plan will be substantially
    subverted. It cannot survive genuine democracy and
    town hall American optimism/decency, which, when the
    war-fighting skill set is put away, is the resource
    the troops-turned-nation-builders will draw on to win
    the peace.

    Am I dreamin', or what?

    Best, Jeff Davis

      "During times of universal deceit, telling the
             truth becomes a revolutionary act."
                             George Orwell

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