Re: Cryonics and uploading as leaps of faith? (was Re: Uploaded Omnisciience)

From: Giu1i0 Pri5c0 (gpmap@runbox.com)
Date: Sun Jun 29 2003 - 03:31:26 MDT

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    So, operationally from the outside and from the inside the uploaded copy is
    the original. I wonder then what the meaning of "but the uploaded copy is
    not REALLY the original" can be.
    Perhaps we should use "feels like" instead than the difficult "is". I feel
    like me because I remember the things that I remember (including what I
    donīt consciously remember at this moment) or, in other words, because of
    the specific information coded in my brain. This is I believe the simplest
    explanation. So if the information coded in my brain is transferred
    somewhere else, someone will wake up feeling that he is me. I consider this
    enough, because I do not care too much about "is".
    I think when one dies consciousness goes on, even if that particular
    individual stream of consciousness stops. There are still thinkers thinking
    thoughts. Of course you can accepts this as a partial "answer" only is you
    believe that each consciousness is fundamentally the same, in other words
    that there is no physical or spiritual "signature" other than information
    that defines the difference between you and I.
    So when I die "I" will continue as another thinker thinking other thoughts
    and remembering other things: this "I" (weak I) is already preserved. If
    what I am interested in is preserving a "strong I" (the thinker who is
    thinking these specific thoughts and remembering these specific things),
    then I do not see anything wrong with uploading when it is technically
    feasible.
    Sorry this was not very clear, perhaps language is not really equipped for
    this. It would be interesting to put it in better words. 

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Damien Broderick" <damienb@unimelb.edu.au>
To: <extropians@extropy.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: Cryonics and uploading as leaps of faith? (was Re: Uploaded
Omnisciience)
> I agree that this delusion will become common, because operationally, from
> the outside, you *will* be dealing with the same person (or an improved
> version), and the duplicates, from the inside, will recall the same
> memories as the original. That's built in to the premise.

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