Re: Why believe the truth?

From: Mark Walker (mark@permanentend.org)
Date: Wed Jun 18 2003 - 09:26:48 MDT

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    From: "Robin Hanson" <rhanson@gmu.edu>

    > At 05:46 PM 6/17/2003 -0400, Eliezer S. Yudkowsky wrote:
    > >... review: what is it, if anything, that we still disagree about? I
    > >would say that, even instrumentally, the benefits of rationality are
    > >higher than the losses, and that the costs involved do not alter this. I
    > >am under the impression you still disagree with this, ...
    >
    > The part I'm not sure whether we agree is on the best strategy for someone
    > who generally accepts the goals that evolution has given them, a standard
    > mix of life, status, children, etc., and in a situation where the future
    > will not be that different from the 20th century or before. The vast
    > majority of humanity believes they are in this situation. In this
    > situation, I claim the extra effort to substantially overcome our
    inherited
    > biases and be more rational than we naturally would be seems usually more
    > effort that it is worth, given the goals specified. Evolution has in fact
    > equipped humans with behavioral strategies roughly appropriate to such
    > situations. I do grant that in the situation you think you are in, where
    > your goals and the future you face are very different from what evolution
    > has equipped you to deal with, being unnaturally rational may well be a
    > better strategy. So, do we disagree or not?
    >
    > >>As an aside, I actually have high hopes that we can improve people's
    > >>incentives to be rational in their contributions to collective consensus
    > >>via wider use of betting markets. People are more rational when they
    > >>bet, for obvious reasons.
    > >
    We've seen arguments that _explain_ why it might be important to pursue or
    belief the truth in some contexts and not others. (E.g., it is good to know
    the truth about whether there is a saber tooth tiger outside the cave; but
    it may increase your chances of having more off-spring if you believe
    falsely that your partner is an above average mate). This tells us why we do
    and do not pursue the truth, but it doesn't answer the question of whether
    we _ought_ to. I take it from the betting market idea that the idea is that
    we ought to pursue greater truth. But why should we suppose that it is
    better to throw off "the shackles" of self-deception rather than truth
    seeking? Perhaps with better technology our self-deception could be more
    complete. With better control of our minds we might be able to believe even
    more outlandish things that we find satisfying to believe. (E.g., not only
    am I a better than average lover, I am the world's greatest lover, etc.).
    Perhaps we might employ AI "truth minders" to steer us clear of trouble when
    necessary (as any good minder does). Perhaps we might have a truth toggle
    switch: every day you go into truth mode for a few moments to get done those
    things in your life that require knowing the truth (say managing your
    money). Perhaps in truth mode you realize that your wife is not particularly
    attractive but once you flick the toggle switch you go back to believing she
    is the most beautiful thing in the universe. (Somewhat reminiscent of the
    movie Shallow Hal). So, I take it then that technology will allow us to
    recreate ourselves as better truth seekers or self-deceivers, and, I take it
    that most of us would take the former option if we could. Of course this
    raises the question of whether given our present partially self-deceiving
    natures we might have deceived ourselves about the value of truth seeking. I
    suppose if there is a fact of the matter whether the greater truth seeking
    life or the greater self-deception life is better then the best (and perhaps
    the only way) would be to run the experiment (i.e., live for a while each
    conception of the good life).

    Above averagely yours,

    Mark

    Mark Walker, PhD
    Research Associate, Philosophy, Trinity College
    University of Toronto
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