From: Spudboy100@aol.com
Date: Sat Jun 14 2003 - 11:12:19 MDT
Shade opined:
<<First, thats one fundamentalist party leader (of which there
are many); Second, that are moderate "fundamentalist" party
leaders that don't agree with him and declared his jihad to
be wrong... Ergo my point that equating fundamentalism and an
American body count is not a valid 1-to-1 mapping...>>
1) Islam, by its nature is a fundamentalist religion. The closest thing to
progressive Islam, are the Sufi's who practice a kind of ecstatic
"Pentacostalist" dancing rituals.
2) Before this administration came to power, the Islamists, who seem to be in
charge of things in Islam nowadays; have advocated attacks against the United
States. In fact, the war against the US is a war against US ideas, and
culture, because the Islamists view it as undermining the faith of their people by
corruption.
The current example is the violence between Iranian students and the
vigilante's now attempting to break up demonstrations in Tehran, unto this very hour.
You can also view, if you care to, OSB's declaration of war against "Crusaders
and Jews" that was published on the web, in 1998. Before that was the attacks
on westerners by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, starting in the early
1960's, as a means of purifying the
perceived corruption of the Gamal Abdul Nasser regime, with its cozy
relationship with the Soviets, and Europeans.
You may heave brickbats at America (those politicians sure do love dat old
debbil oil, and love to be advisors to the Wahabbi kingdom), but the chief
responsibility of how Muslims behave, lies within themselves. Making the US jump
through hoops to placate the Islamic (read Islamist) world appears merely
encourage more violent and intolerant behavior from Islam. Remember the quote from
Osama regarding how people like the stronger horse?
To get back to the Thread Topic, I am not sure everything should be defined
as Extropian or not. Was the Great Revolution of 1688 in Britain, Extropian?
How about the 1832 creation of the Third Republic in France? Its not like apples
and oranges, its like apples and LVAD's.
Finally, if no nerve gas or biotoxins can be found in Iraq, or found that
they have been sent to Syria (for example) then we have been subjected to a Wag
The Dog lie from Bush. I suspect that Bush is hiding the fact that Syria took
the stuff in question, as a means to cajole the Syrians into joining the team.
I could be wrong, but its just a hunch. In this case, a lie is still a lie,
even if its for a "good" reason. If these allegations are proven true, Bush
should no longer be given carte blanche on foreign policy. Because if they lied,
then every claim now needs to be scrutinized, because if he's going to lie
once, he's going to lie again.
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