From: Paul Grant (shade999@optonline.net)
Date: Fri Jun 13 2003 - 17:26:16 MDT
> "Paul Grant" <shade999@optonline.net>
>
> > You could start by fixing the stuff 9/11 was about.
>
> Religious idiocy?
Sure. That's a good place to start :) I *totally* agree with reforming
the splinter groups of christianity that specifically choose to support
Israel because it will bring about the second coming of christ. I am
so *terribly* happy we found some common ground :P
> > US support for Israel (financial, military) and how that relates to
> > the Palestinians.
>
> Most of the hijackers were not Palestinians nor were they
> poor, and most Indonesian Moslems hate America as much as the
> Arabs do and they've never seen a Palestinian in their life.
So what you mean to say is that coming to the aid of your allies (in
this case
fellow muslims) is Wrong... So what happened to your previous
justification of
the US entering kuwait to help its ally?
> > Occupation of Saudia Arabia
>
> America was there at the request of the Saudi Arabia
> government to prevent a invasion, and now that Saddam is no
> longer a threat they are leaving. Not the sort of behavior
> you'd expect from a conquering power.
Oh that's right :) Let me know when the ticker-tape parade begins...
> > Removing any policies in place that purposefully destabilize the
> >region
>
> Destabilize? Before 911 the American policy was always to
> preserve the Status Quo, things are different now and that
> frightens many in the Mid East and that's a good thing. Be
> afraid, be very afraid.
And before 911, the status quo was good? I suppose that would
Explain the 3 wars between Israel and Egypt, the ongoing palestinian
Revolt against Israel, the 1 Between Iraq and Kuwait, the 1 Between
Iraq and Iran, the 1 between Israel and Syria, the 1 between Israel and
Lebanon..[and a couple others]? So its your contention that
purposefully
Preserving the status quo is beneficial for that region?
> > so you can get your oil cheaper.
>
> Well, if you can think of a policy that leads to cheaper oil
> I'm all for it.
More than happy :) Someone's just pioneered a (commercial) process
which recycles carbon based materials [organic refuse] and plastics
Into oil and gas. Its depolymerizes polymers. Or you could tap your
own oil reserves in Alaska. Or build some more of those nuclear
powerplants. Or design your houses better so you don't continiously
Waste significant amount of energy heating and cooling your houses.
how about this, the horror, limit your energy consumption to that of
your europaen counterparts (per capita of course)... Hell ride a bike
to work. I'ld even support something as simple as mandating a certain
amount of fuel efficiency for consumer vehicles....
All of those would positively affect your balance sheet for costs
associated with oil purchases.
> > Don't mind "fundamentalist" or religious based political
> groups if and > when they gain power so long as they are
> *democratically* elected.
>
> I don't give a damn if their democratically elected or not,
> if 51% want to kill the other 49% then they have lost all
> moral authority in my book and
Democracy cuts both ways, eh? Sucks when the majority
Doesn't do what you want, eh?
> if they want to kill us (and some do)
And so the entire group is guilty by association?
And how did you manage to equate fundamentalism with wanting
Americans dead? Just fix the aforementioned policies. I'm sure
they'ld be more than happy to leave you alone...
> then I have even less respect for them and will do
> my best to kill them first.
So I guess you would have a problem with those religious nuts
adopting your particular line of thought? I mean, you've just clearly
indicated your intention to kill any fundamentalists, because a few
members of theirs may want you dead [I'll give you that assumption,
for the sake of the broader point].... Does that mean that the
entire group should attempt to kill you now?
>By the way Hitler gained power
> legally too, not that I care.
Hehehe, can't resist.... So did Bush :P
> >Just because western mentality espouses separation of
> church and state
> > as a *THEORY* does not mean everyone else DOES or SHOULD.
>
> All I can say is if they want my respect they'll have
> separation of church and state.
They're not trying to earn your respect; In the grand
scheme of things, they're judged for their actions by God, not you
-- a fact that seems to have escaped your notice... Pretty
much all they want you to do is stop fucking with them.
> >As I recall, the muslim caliphs did well under an Islamic
> >government.
>
> You recall that do you? Well then you must be very old indeed
> because Islamic civilization has gone straight downhill for
> 800 years due to an uninterrupted line of incredibly
> incompetent governments. They were great once but that was a
> very long time ago.
HAHAHAHA :) That is one of my favorite points to bring up...
Sure, go ahead, pick a fight with a people who have a long
term view of things... I mean, the battles might be quick, but
how long do you think, will be the war?
> > stop insulting the prophet mohamed
> Why? Clearly he was an asshole.
<grin> perhaps, but its still not polite :)
> > I have yet to see a single muslim proclaim loudly, "Jesus was a
> > goat-buggering RAPIST!"
> Too bad, because Jesus was an asshole too.
Well at least your consistent :)
> >freedom of religion is gauranteed under the koran
>
> Well now you're just being silly.
Not really; just more informed...
"lekum deenakum, wee leeya deen."
You have your religion and I have mine. <<lets leave it at
that>>
That's one of the earliest surrahs in the koran;
Its also one of my favorites.
omard-out
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