RE: The mistake of agriculture (was: evolution and diet)

From: gts (gts_2000@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat May 24 2003 - 13:22:00 MDT

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    Harvey Newstrom wrote:

    gts wrote:
    >> One might even argue that extropianism is a philosophical attempt
    >> to prepare an escape from the doomed world we created at the advent
    >> of agriculture.

    > Or, one might even argue that extropianism is a philosophical
    > attempt to prepare even more technologies to gain control
    > over nature, produce more resources, expand civilization
    > further, and become even more productive. In short, to
    > extend the agricultural revolution toward meeting more and
    > more human needs with greater efficiency.

    Most of us here are working on the premise that Jared Diamond was at least
    partially correct in his essay to cite the development of agriculture as a
    primary cause of many modern world problems (e.g., overpopulation in
    under-developed countries, famine, tyranny, standing armies leading to
    massive world wars, etc). Apparently you don't accept that premise. You
    assume in your last sentence that the agricultural revolution has met more
    needs than it created, when Diamond would argue that the revolution created
    more needs than it met.

    If Diamond is right, as I believe he is, then I think extropianism can be
    viewed as a philosophical attempt to prepare an escape from (or a solution
    to) the doomed world
    we created at the advent of agriculture. Agriculture is not the answer to
    the problem. Agriculture and its ramifications are the problem.

    Mez points out that agriculture has had some positive benefits too,
    something that no one here denies, but I think those benefits can be (or
    could have been) obtained without agriculture.

    Most importantly, and most obviously in my view, we need to find a way to
    solve the problem of overpopulation, a problem which became real as a result
    of the agricultural revolution. This is a serious problem we face at least
    until such time as we find a way to colonize other planets. I would rather
    see 6 billion healthy educated prosperous humans on Earth than 50 billion
    impoverished humans scrambling desperately for their share of limited
    resources.

    -gts



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