RE: [Off topic] Looking for work

From: Gary Miller (garymiller@starband.net)
Date: Thu May 22 2003 - 07:33:43 MDT

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    >> This raises the question: how does one get started in
    network/computer
    >> security work?

    A BS in Computer Science or electrical engineering will take you much
    farther but is not necessary to break into the field.

    Most of the people I know got their Cisco Network certifications first
    through community colleges or
    Computer based training and then landed their first job.

    From their they got their employers to pay for the seminars to pass
    CISSP certification.

    Another trick is to request vendor evaluation for the hottest network
    monitoring software and security products once you're in a company and
    then add those to you're resume as well.

    I hear the government is also recruiting hacker types to go through
    additional government computer security training. Of course it help if
    you've still got a clean record and your skeletons are well hidden
    enough so that you can still get clearance.

    Most higher pay government, consulting, and private induastry still
    require a BS degree.

    Software testing is unfortunately often considered easier than
    development and therefore typically pays far less. The better jobs come
    from those experienced with automated testing tools such as Mercury
    Interactive, et al.

    Hope this helps!

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-extropians@extropy.org [mailto:owner-extropians@extropy.org]
    On Behalf Of Michael M. Butler
    Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:02 PM
    To: extropians@extropy.org
    Subject: Re: [Off topic] Looking for work

    Thanks for posting this resource, Harvey.

    This raises the question: how does one get started in network/computer
    security work? I consider it a short hop from some of the kinds of
    testing
    I've done, which includes lookung for buffer vulnerabilities, etc. But I

    probably could use some mentoring, and who would be willing to do that?

    I mean, I hear (for instance) that Counterpane does some of its own
    training, but I wonder what their minimum expectations are.

    [MMB ducks behind a blast shield after mentioning a competitor to H. N.]

    [Muffled voice from behind shield:] And the confluence of the two
    (security
    and SW test) seems to me to be a growth industry as "matter becomes
    software", to whatever degree and at whatever rate it does...

    On Wed, 21 May 2003 13:05:01 -0400, Harvey Newstrom
    <mail@HarveyNewstrom.com> wrote:

    > I just sent Michael an off-list message with a specific contact.
    > However,
    > I
    > thought some more generic contacts might be helpful for other people.
    I
    > have compiled a list of good job listing sites on our website:
    >
    > <http://newstaff.org/index.html/organizations/?jobs/index.html>

    > If anyone knows of any other good job sites, let me know so I can add
    > it
    > to this page.

    Noted: *good* job sites. :) Will do, and thanks once more.

    MMB

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