From: Phil Osborn (philosborn2001@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue May 20 2003 - 19:52:13 MDT
In reply to Samantha's typically silly post:
I can't even figure out what your interpretation is of
what I said, so this is going to likely fall short of
a cogent response on those grounds. "Real Woman" as
opposed to MALE!!! transexual prostitutes? I didn't
imply anything about transexual Women, I don't think.
These prostitutes, who are quite common in your real
low-life Mexican bars, are completely biologically
male, I'm reasonable sure. As I mentioned, an entire
radio program - an hour, as I recall - was devoted
locally on the Pacifica station to describing the
increasing problem of Hispanic men passing AIDS and
other STDs to their wives from encounters with such
prostitutes.
Many, perhaps most traditional macho Hispanic men are
only homophobic about being on the "receiving" end -
i.e., taking on the "female" role. Taking the "male"
role with another man is not considered a diminishment
of one's machismo. It can even be seen as a superior
way of proving it, as women are seen in that male
culture as being inherently weak and essentially "no
contest." Thus, forcing another man to act like a
female means that one is even that much more macho.
On numerous occasions, in fact, because I had very
smooth facial skin (due to using retin A for a decade)
and longish hair, I had the experience of Hispanic
passengers in my cab suddenly coming on to me, at
which point I politely made it clear that I was not
one of those men who would take on the female role for
them.
I'm sure that there are biological males - in the
limited XY sense, at least - who, because of some
pre-natal gender hormone misshap or other similar
causes, find that their responses fit the pattern of
woman to man and make the choice to follow that
pattern, whether including hormone treatments and/or
surgery. At least one of them has been a friend of
mine since the mid-80's. I suspect that many of these
Hispanic transexuals also fit that pattern. However,
in the U.S., in Orange County, at least, I rarely saw
a female Hispanic prostitute, altho they dominate in
Mexico for sure. With a limited supply, I'm sure that
the prices for those rare women are quite high, which
leaves the transexual prostitutes, who, unfortunately,
tend to practice unsafe sex with a LOT of partners.
Does wearing a skirt and bra make one a REAL woman?
Just where is that line?
From: Samantha (samantha@objectent.com)
Date: Mon May 19 2003 - 02:57:25 MDT
On Thursday 15 May 2003 04:50 pm, Phil Osborn wrote:
> Purely anecdotally, one of the Hispanics who I see
on a daily basis was really in the dumps of late after
he got caught cheating on his wife, by his wife, after
she came down with an STD. When I drove a cab here in
Orange County in the '80's, 90% of my customers were
first-generation, low-income Hispanics, and couldn't
afford a real woman to prove their manhood, so the
trans-sexual prostitutes did a land office business at
the bars. I carried them as well, and often they were
indistinguishable from a real woman at first glance. >
So now you are going to bash transsexual women as not
"real women" to boot heh? I will refrain from
responding further to you, ever, as
I will become decidely un-lady-like.
Culturally Hispanics are generally homophobic and most
hispanic males would not consider sex with anyone they
thought of as less than a woman or not really a woman
as proving anything at all complementary about
themselves. Perhaps they exhibit a better attitude
than you
do in this respect.
- samantha
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