From: Anders Sandberg (asa@nada.kth.se)
Date: Sat May 10 2003 - 15:42:06 MDT
On Sat, May 10, 2003 at 01:44:23PM -0700, Robert J. Bradbury wrote:
>
> > RAFI published a report on it, which despite its luddite aims, had
> > plenty of good information. This is stuff that needs to be clearly
> > answered.
>
> Anders -- for *shame* -- I've finally gotten through reading
> "The Big Down" (http://www.etcgroup.org/documents/TheBigDown.pdf).
> Really really boring. I have to disagree with Anders with respect
> to "plenty of good information" unless he is talking about some
> other report.
I think so, the one I was refering to was specifically about health
issues of nanoparticles.
That their aims are fundamentally antithetical to ours and that
they bias information was never in question.
> There is little "value added" in The Big Down
> that would not be known by anyone following the ExI/THT or other
> similar lists. There *are* however various "assertions" of
> positions without any evidence cited to back up those positions.
> [Classic "position claimed without facts in evidence" -- a classic
> luddite ploy.]
Yes. And they are quite insidious - I shudder whenever I hear
somebody use the word 'erosion' in their sense, they have been
quite successful in spreading it and adjoint memes.
They are important because they are in many ways a leading
group in anti-transhumanism, and hence we better read what they
write and respond to it. Or even better, write our own attacks
on their core assumptions. Dealing with the loonies and
mediocre is a waste of energy.
> It is worth observing that the ETCGroup may be giving some kind
> of seminar before/with the European Parliament on June 11th.
> Cite: http://www.etcgroup.org/article.asp?newsid=390
>
> I'm giving some strong consideration to attending just so I can stand
> up and disrupt the presentations when they make claims similar
> to those found in "The Big Down".
:-) I'll see what I can learn about the seminar.
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