Re: [IRAQ] RE: Name Calling vs. Ad Hominem

From: Amara Graps (amara@amara.com)
Date: Fri May 09 2003 - 01:33:41 MDT

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    A.G.:
    >> http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
    >> (~2500 Iraqi civilians died)
    Lee Daniel Crocker:
    >That figure is not anywhere close to reality (not that you'd
    >expect a site named "bodycount" to care about the truth anyway).
    >The data is still being collected, but it looks like even
    >military casualties of the war may be as low as 5,000, and
    >civilians in the hundreds.

    Sorry, but I'm extremely skeptical. That number would barely
    cover the number of civilians killed by cluster bombs alone,
    according to this editorial:

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    "How Many Civilians Were Killed By Cluster Bombs?
    The Pentagon says 1: Iraq Body Count says at least 200.

    It is understandable that the US government should wish to play down
    the damage done to Iraqi civilians by cluster bombs. The rules of
    war prohibit the use of inherently indiscriminate weapons. Cluster
    bombs are weapons which are incapable of being used in a manner that
    complies with the obligation to distinguish between civilians and
    combatants. Those who use them in civilian areas therefore open
    themselves to charges of war crimes.

    Even so, last month's claim by the Pentagon that only one civilian
    has died from cluster bombing is breathtaking in its audacious
    distortion of reality. General Richard Myers, chairman of the
    military's Joint Chiefs of Staff said Friday 25th April:

            <<Only one of the nearly 1,500 cluster bombs used by
            coalition forces in Iraq resulted in civilian
            casualties. An initial review of all cluster
            munitions used and the targets they were used on
            indicate that only 26 of those approximately 1,500
            hit targets within 1,500 feet of civilian
            neighborhoods. And there's been only one recorded
            case of collateral damage from cluster munitions
            noted so far. >> (1)

    But this was only part of the picture, for:

    [...]Myers did not mention surface-launched cluster munitions, which
    are believed to have caused many more civilian casualties.

    "To imply that cluster munitions caused virtually no harm to Iraqi
    civilians is highly disingenuous," said Kenneth Roth, executive
    director of Human Rights Watch. Instead of whitewashing the facts,
    the Pentagon needs to come clean about the Army's use of cluster
    munitions, which has been much more fatal to civilians. (2)

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    The rest of the editorial is here:

    http://www.iraqbodycount.net/editorial.htm

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    I would think that the extropians list of all places would appreciate
    a systematic and as comprehensive and unbiased as possible approach to
    gathering information on a subject. In this case, the subject is the
    number of Iraqi civilians who died in the Iraq War.

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    http://www.iraqbodycount.net/background.htm#methods
    Methodology

    from that web page:

    The IRAQ BODY COUNT Project

    This is a Human Security project to establish an independent and
    comprehensive public database of media-reported civilian deaths in
    Iraq resulting directly from military actions by the USA and its
    allies in 2003. Results and totals are continually updated and made
    immediately available on this page and on various IBC counters which
    may be freely displayed on any website, where they will be
    automatically updated without further intervention. Casualty figures
    are derived from a comprehensive survey of online media reports.
    Where these sources report differing figures, the range (a minimum
    and a maximum) are given. All results are independently reviewed and
    error-checked by at least three members of the Iraq Body Count
    project team before publication.

    The project takes as its starting point and builds upon the earlier
    work of Professor Marc Herold who has produced the most
    comprehensive tabulation of civilian deaths in the war on
    Afghanistan from October 2001 to the present, and the methodology
    has been designed in close consultation with him.

    Professor Herold commented: "I strongly support this initiative. The
    counting of civilian dead looms ever more importantly for at least
    two reasons: military sources and their corporate mainstream media
    backers seek to portray the advent of precision guided weaponry as
    inflicting at most, minor, incidental civilian casualties when, in
    truth, such is is not the case; and the major source of opposition
    to these modern 'wars' remains an informed, articulate general
    public which retains a commitment to the international humanitarian
    covenants of war at a time when most organized bodies and so-called
    'experts' have walked away from them".

    Rationale:

    Adversities such as wars and civil wars threaten the survival and
    dignity of millions of people. The victims of these conflicts are
    primarily, if not almost exclusively, civilians - ordinary men and
    women. Civilian casualties are the most unacceptable consequence of
    all wars. Each civilian death is a tragedy and should never be
    regarded as the cost of achieving our countries war aims, because
    it is not we who are paying this price. One in four killed in the US
    war on Afghanistan were civilians, and in Yugoslavia the proportion
    was even higher. We believe it is a moral and humanitarian duty for
    each such death to be recorded, publicised, given the weight it
    deserves and, where possible, investigated to establish whether
    there are grounds for criminal proceedings.

    Traditionally, security threats were examined in the context of
    "state security", i.e. the protection of the state, its boundaries,
    people, institutions and values from external attacks. States set up
    powerful military systems to defend themselves. People were
    considered to be assured of their security through the protection
    extended by the state. Recent history, however, shows that the
    states as "protector of people" frequently come to play ineffective
    if not adversarial roles. They showed no serious interest in
    documenting and investigating the civilian deaths and their causes.
    The governments of victor states certainly have almost no interest
    in doing this during the conduct of military campaigns. Proponents
    of modern warfare also make much of the claim that their weapons
    are smart or precision guided. Civilian deaths give the lie to
    such claims. Recent examples demonstrate that no air-launched weapon
    can avoid civilian deaths.

    The UN Secretary-General has called the world community to advance a
    new human-centred approach to these problems. As a contribution to
    this effort, the Commission on Human Security (CHS) first met in New
    York in June 2001 and held its second meeting in Tokyo in December
    2001. The Iraq Body Count project is a direct response to this
    agenda of Human Security.

    The Iraq Body Count project aims to promote public understanding,
    engagement and support for the human dimension in wars by providing
    a reliable and up-to-date documentation of civilian casualties in
    the event of a US-led war in 2003 in the country. The duty of
    recorder falls particularly heavily on the ordinary citizens of
    those states whose military forces cause the deaths. In the current
    crisis, this responsibility must be borne predominantly by citizens
    of the USA and the UK.

    It is accepted that war causes many dire consequences for the
    civilian population even if they are not directly killed or injured
    in military strikes. They may suffer long-term injury or illness (as
    a result, for instance of radiation, post-conflict contact with
    unexploded munitions, pollution due to spillage of toxic materials).
    UN estimates suggest that a war in Iraq would create starvation and
    homelessness for millions. A widely-leaked UN report on the
    humanitarian consequences of a US-led war in Iraq has estimated that
    the conflict would create two million refugees. (BBC News, 28
    January, 2003, 07:38 GMT) People may suffer deep psychological
    trauma, miscarriage, bereavement, dislocation, and loss of home and
    property. Destruction of civil infrastructure can have effects which
    last for generations. These factors undoubtedly cause many further
    deaths. However, documenting and assigning responsibility for such
    effects requires long-term on the ground resources. Immediate
    deaths and injuries through military strikes can be pinpointed in
    place and time, and responsibility straightforwardly attributed to
    the weapon that caused the death or injury.

    This project aims to record single-mindedly and on a virtually
    real-time basis one key and immutable index of the fruits of war:
    the death toll of innocents. The full extent of this has often gone
    unnoticed until long after a war has ended, if at all. One reason is
    that reports of incidents where civilians have been killed are
    scattered in different news sources and spread over time: one or two
    killed here, a few dozen there, with only major incidents (such as
    the attack on the Al-Amariyah bomb shelter where hundreds of women,
    children and elderly were incinerated alive) being guaranteed
    headline coverage. But the smaller numbers quickly add up: and
    however many civilians are killed in the onslaught on Iraq, their
    death toll should not go unnoticed by those who are paying in
    taxes for their slaughter. It is to these all too easily
    disregarded victims of violence that Iraq Body Count is dedicated,
    and we are resolute that they, too, shall have their memorials.

     
                                     Methodology:

    Overview
    Sources
    Data Extraction
    Data Storage
    Publication of data (including conditions of use)
    Limitations

    1. Overview

    Casualty figures are derived from a comprehensive survey of online
    media reports and eyewitness accounts. Where these sources report
    differing figures, the range (a minimum and a maximum) are given.
    All results are independently reviewed and error-checked by at least
    two members of the Iraq Body Count project team in addition to the
    original compiler before publication.

    2. Sources

    Our sources include public domain newsgathering agencies with web
    access. A list of some core sources is given below. Further sources
    will be added provided they meet acceptable project standards (see
    below).

             ABC - ABC News (USA)
             AFP - Agence France-Presse
             AP - Associated Press
             AWST - Aviation Week and Space Technology
             Al Jaz - Al Jazeera network
             BBC - British Broadcasting Corporation
             BG - Boston Globe
             Balt. Sun - The Baltimore Sun
             CT - Chicago Tribune
             CO - Commondreams.org
             CSM - Christian Science Monitor
             DPA - Deutsche Presse-Agentur
             FOX - Fox News
             GUA - The Guardian (London)
             HRW - Human Rights Watch
             HT - Hindustan Times
             ICRC - International Committ of the Red Cross
             IND - The Independent (London)
             IO - Intellnet.org
             JT - Jordan Times
             LAT - Los Angeles Times
             MEN - Middle East Newsline
             MEO - Middle East Online
             MER - Middle East Report
             MH - Miami Herald
             NT - Nando Times
             NYT - New York Times
             Reuters - (includes Reuters Alertnet)
             SABC - South African Broadcasting Corporation
             SMH - Sydney Morning Herald
             Sg.News - The Singapore News
             Tel- The Telegraph (London)
             Times - The Times (London)
             TOI - Times of India
             TS - Toronto Star
             UPI - United Press International
             WNN - World News Network
             WP - Washington Post

    For a source to be considered acceptable to this project it must
    comply with the following standards: (1) site updated at least
    daily; (2) all stories separately archived on the site, with a
    unique url (see Note 1 below); (3) source widely cited or referenced
    by other sources; (4) English Language site; (5) fully public
    (preferably free) web-access.

    The project relies on the professional rigour of the approved
    reporting agencies. It is assumed that any agency that has attained
    a respected international status operates its own rigorous checks
    before publishing items (including, where possible, eye-witness and
    confidential sources). By requiring that two independent agencies
    publish a report before we are willing to add it to the count, we
    are premising our own count on the self-correcting nature of the
    increasingly inter-connected international media network.

    Note 1. Some sites remove items after a given time period, change
    their urls, or place them in archives with inadequate search
    engines. For this reason it is project policy that urls of sources
    are NOT published on the iraqbodycount site.

    3. Data extraction

    Data extraction policy is based on 3 criteria, some of which
    work in opposite directions.

    a.Sufficient information must be extracted to ensure that each
    incident is differentiated from proximate incidents with which
    it could be potentially confused. b.Economy of data extraction
    is required, for efficiency of both production and public
    scrutiny. c.Data extraction should be uniform, so that the same
    information is available for the vast majority of incidents.
    This is best guaranteed by restricting the number of items of
    information per incident to the core facts that most news
    reports tend to include.

    The pragmatic tensions in the above have led to the decision to
    extract the following information only for each incident:

                       Date of incident
                       Time of incident
                       Location of incident
                       Target as stated by military sources
                       Weapon (munitions or delivery vehicle)
                       Minimum civilian deaths (see Note 2)
                       Maximum civilian deaths (see Note 2)
                       Sources (at least two sources from the list in
    section 2 above)

    Reliability of data extraction will be increased by ensuring that
    each data extraction is checked and signed off by two further
    independent scrutineers prior to publication, and all data entries
    will be kept under review should further details become available at
    a later date.

    Note 2. Definitions of minimum and maximum

    Reports of numbers dead vary across sources. On-the-ground
    uncertainties and potential political bias can result in a range of
    figures reported for the same incident. To reflect this variation,
    each incident will be associated with a minimum and maximum reported
    number of deaths. No number will be entered into the count unless it
    meets the criteria in the following paragraphs. This conservative
    approach allows relative certainty about the minimum.

    Maximum deaths. This is the highest number of civilian deaths
    published by at least two of our approved list of news media
    sources.

    Minimum deaths. This is the same as the maximum, unless at least two
    of the listed news media sources publish a lower number. In this
    case, the lower number is entered as the minimum. The minimum can be
    zero if there is a report of "zero deaths" from two of our sources.
    "Unable to confirm any deaths" or similar wording (as in an official
    statement) does NOT amount to a report of zero, and will NOT lead to
    an entry of "0" in the minimum column.

    As a further conservative measure, when the wording used in both
    reports refers to "people" instead of civilians, we will include the
    total figure as a maximum but enter "0" into the minimum column
    unless details are present clearly identifying some or all of the
    dead as civilian - in this case the number of identifiable civilians
    will be entered into the minimum column instead of "0". The word
    "family" will be interpreted in this context as meaning 3 civilians.
    [Average Iraqi non-extended family size: 6. -CIA Factbook 2002.]

    4. Data storage

    Although it is expected that the majority of sources will remain
    accessible on the web site from which they were drawn, the project
    will create a secure archive of all original sources (in both
    electronic and paper form). Where judged appropriate by the project
    team, this data may be released to bona-fide enquirers, for
    verification purposes. At an appropriate juncture, the entire
    archive will be passed to an institution of public record (such as a
    University or National Library) for permanent access by bona-fide
    researchers. The copyright of original sources will remain with the
    originators. The copyright of the Iraq Body Count data extraction
    remains with the named researchers on the project (see About us).

    5. Publication of data (including conditions of use)

    Once verified through the processes described in section 3 above,
    each new incident will be added as a new line on a spreadsheet
    database which will be updated regularly (at least daily) on the
    www.iraqbodycount.org site. The total minimum and maximum deaths
    will be automatically updated, and will feed through to all remotely
    positioned web-counters donwloaded from the site.

    Permission is granted for any individual or agency to download and
    display any of the web counters available on this site, provided
    that the link back to the www.iraqbodycount.org site is not disabled
    or otherwise tampered with when displayed on a live interactive
    web-site. Permission is also granted for cut-and-paste downloads of
    the spreadsheet database listing each incident. All press and
    non-commercial uses are permitted. Other commercial uses are
    prohibited without explicit permission (contact
    info@iraqbodycount.org).

    We request that you acknowledge any use of the Iraq Body Count data
    base or its methodology by mentioning either the project name ("Iraq
    Body Count") or the url (www.iraqbodycount.org) or the names of the
    principal researchers, Hamit Dardagan and John Sloboda.

    6. Limitations and scope of enquiry:

    Any project has limitations and boundaries. Here are some FAQs about
    this topic and our answers to them.

    Why dont you report all civilian deaths in Iraq since the 1991 Gulf
    War ended?

    Our decision to stick with deaths from Jan 2003 is mainly tactical,
    and based on the resources we have. We would rather provide one
    stream of verifiable evidence to a high degree of reliablity than
    spread ourselves too thin. Current deaths are more newsworthy than
    past deaths, and will be of more interest to the general websites
    who will carry the IBC Web Counters. We agree that reckoning total
    deaths since 1991 is a very worthwhile project. We would be happy to
    support someone wanting to do this, but we can't manage it ourselves
    with current resources.

    Why don't you report civilian injuries as well as deaths?

    Injuries are difficult to quantify. Anything from shock to loss of
    limb can be classified as an injury. Also, injuries can recover, so
    that by the time there is independent verification the injury can
    have healed. The level of resource we would need to track and
    categorise the far higher number of injuries would likely overwhelm
    our resources. Deaths are irreversible and immutable. Again, they
    are the most "newsworthy" tip of the iceberg, and the greatest crime
    against innocents.

    "Does your count include deaths from indirect causes?"

    Each side can readily claim that indirectly-caused deaths are the
    "fault" of the other side or, where long-term illnesses and genetic
    disorders are concerned, "due to other causes." Our methodology
    requires that specific deaths attributed to US-led military actions
    are carried in at least two reports from our approved sources. This
    includes deaths resulting from the destruction of water treatment
    plants or any other lethal effects on the civilian population. The
    test for us remains whether the bullet (or equivalent) is attributed
    to a piece of weaponry where the trigger was pulled by a US or
    allied finger, or is due to "collateral damage" by either side (with
    the burden of responsibility falling squarely on the shoulders of
    those who initiate war without UN Security Council authorization).
    We agree that deaths from any deliberate source are an equal
    outrage, but in this project we want to only record those deaths to
    which we can unambiguously hold our own leaders to account. In
    short, we record all civilians deaths attributed to our military
    intervention in Iraq.

    (The above FAQ does not apply to sanctions; although we are opposed
    to them, our study deals with the consequences of our current
    military actions in Iraq. It has also been newly revised due to our
    growing awareness that we were too narrowly-focused on bombs and
    other conventional weapons, neglecting the deadly effects of
    disrupted food, water, electricity and medical supplies. These
    effects, though relatively small at the outset of a war, are likely
    to become much more significant as time passes, and we will monitor
    media reports accordingly.)

    Won't your count simply be a compilation of propaganda?

    We acknowledge that many parties to this conflict will have an
    interest in manipulating casualty figures for political ends. There
    is no such thing (and will probably never be such a thing) as an
    "wholly accurate" figure, which could accepted as historical truth
    by all parties. This is why we will always publish a minimum and a
    maximum for each reported incident. Some sources may wish to
    over-report casualties. Others may wish to under-report them. Our
    methodology is not biased towards "propaganda" from any particular
    protagonist in the conflict. We will faithfully reflect the full
    range of reported deaths in our sources. These sources, which are
    predominantly Western (including long established press agencies
    such as Reuters and Associated Press) are unlikely to suppress
    conservative estimates which can act as a corrective to inflated
    claims. We rely on the combined, and self-correcting,
    professionalism of the world's press to deliver meaningful maxima
    and minima for our count.

    Will you co-operate with other similar projects?

    Many projects are needed to evaluate the full human cost of this
    war. We value them all, but this one is ours. We need to ensure that
    our study is focused and that its intent, scope and limits are
    widely and clearly understood. We will certainly build up and
    maintain our set of links to projects doing related work so that
    viewers of this site can be pointed to related activity.

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