RE: Experiences with Atkins diet

From: Harvey Newstrom (mail@HarveyNewstrom.com)
Date: Mon May 05 2003 - 07:44:47 MDT

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    Mike Lorrey wrote,
    > --- gts <gts_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > > --- Brian Atkins <brian@posthuman.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > > BillK wrote:
    > > >> Colorectal cancer tends to be one of the diseases
    > > >> of old age and the diet that helps to prevent it
    > > >> did not exist in paleolithic times.
    > >
    > > > I will give my take: these studies appear to
    > > > confirm, rather than disconfirm the paleo diet.
    > >
    > > Yes, I agree of course with Brian here. There is no
    > > reason to believe plant fiber from grain products is
    > > in any way superior to plant fiber from paleolithic
    > > fruits and vegetables.
    > >
    > > And plant fiber from fruits and vegetables is generally
    > > accompanied by a plethora of other vital nutrients not
    > > found in grain products (e.g., vitamin C).
    >
    > I am glad to see some studies confirming the diet I've advocated on
    > this list for a number of years. I have not always practiced it myself,
    > but I am getting better.

    Mike, you may have missed the way that Brian and gts "reinterpreted" the
    studies to say the opposite of what the original authors said. The original
    studies advocated a lot of grains in the diet. Brian and gts dismissed the
    parts of the study they didn't like, but kept the parts they did like, and
    then reinterpreted the results to enforce rather deny the Paleo diet. They
    then claimed the study reinforced their anti-grain diet. This totally
    contradicts the report's conclusion that "New evidences supports the theory
    that a high-fiber diet, including grains, cereals and fruits substantially
    lowers the risk of colon cancer." There is nothing in this study that
    supports the Paleo Diet. It specifically studied a high-grain non-Paleo
    diet.

    I am tired of seeing "scientific evidence" being misrepresented here. Most
    people don't have time to go double-check sources presented. If someone
    claims that a study just came out that shows such-and-such, most people will
    take that statement at face value. I am not used to finding such studies
    misrepresented, or worse, "reinterpreted" to say things that the original
    author never intended. This is very sloppy evidence at best, and
    intellectual fraud at worse.

    This Paleo Diet "religion" thread seems to be worst at this. There are
    logical fallacies and misrepresented scientific studies. When people point
    out specific flaws or misrepresentation, they are ignored or talked to
    death. In the final analysis, I don't have much complaint about the diet.
    People can avoid random food groups if they want, as long as they are
    getting their nutrition elsewhere. However, I greatly object to the
    /methods/ used to reach these conclusions and persuade others into them.
    They are religious, illogical, unscientific, and fraudulent. This kind of
    sloppy reasoning, even for a correct position, ends up weakening the
    argument, and even weakening the discussion group. People reading this
    stuff would (rightly in this narrow case) classify us as religious cultists
    who use circular logic and pseudoscience to prove our believes to others as
    if they were established scientific fact.

    The Extropians List didn't used to be like this.

    --
    Harvey Newstrom, CISSP, IAM, GSEC, IBMCP
    <www.HarveyNewstrom.com> <www.Newstaff.com>
    


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