FW: If Magick Exists (was RE: Ideological blinders)

From: Emlyn O'regan (oregan.emlyn@healthsolve.com.au)
Date: Thu Apr 03 2003 - 01:18:04 MST

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     Samantha Atkins wrote:
    > Eliezer S. Yudkowsky wrote:
    >> I would also need the other revised beliefs that tell me to
    >> interpret sensory miracles as the actions of a consiliently existing
    >> God, rather than hallucinations or an enclosing simulation.
    >
    > But wouldn't your criteria mean that God would have to be a being
    among
    > other beings within the framework of what, to be God, would be God's
    > creation? I guess you're safe from theism because this looks like a
    > clearly impossible hoop to jump through.

    Eliezer wrote:
    Does not follow. God could be the framework, or could be outside the
    framework, or whatever it is the theologians insist on. The only
    requirement for consilience is that the explanation be consistent.
    Physics is consilient with biology, for example, and physics is not a
    lifeform among other lifeforms.

    --
    Indeed it does not follow; God could intervene without needing to be
    part of the universe.
    However, as He is attributed omnipotence, all hoops are fair game.
    Hmm, psychoanalysts might have a field day with that last sentence.
    Luckily they are all full of shit anyway (anal retentive?) so I don't
    care :-)
    Emlyn
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