Re: Redefining violence (contains possibly POLITICAL material)

From: Charles Hixson (charleshixsn@earthlink.net)
Date: Wed Apr 02 2003 - 16:28:08 MST

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    Rafal Smigrodzki wrote:

    >I'd like to return to this thread after some time thinking about the
    >issues raised.
    >
    >
    >On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 08:37, Greg Jordan wrote:
    >
    >
    >>On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Lee Corbin wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>context. Do you maintain that billboards on private
    >>>property that happen to be within sight of highways
    >>>(just as distant mountains are within sight), should
    >>>be restricted in what appears on them?
    >>>...
    >>>
    Perhaps one needs to consider that force, call it coercion, exists on a
    scale. We may not yet have a good calibration for it, or a decent
    meter, but clearly offering bread to a starving man, but insisting that
    he do something first counts a some degree of coercion. And threatening
    a well armed man with a club does, also. And screaming at a child. And
    this ranges must include everything up to words of praise for trying to
    perform correctly, and down to torturing someone to death for failing to
    satisfy your whims instantly (without your bothering to inform them).
    These are all acts along a scale of coercion, though I can't place all
    of them in order. Somewhere along that scale will be the billboards.

    Is the scale continuous? (Or essentially continuous to the limit of
    human perception?) Is it reasonable to pick one place along the scale,
    and say "Everything below this is unethical, everything above it is
    ethical"? Clearly some positions on the scale are considered unethical
    by nearly everyone. Likewise other positions are considered ethical by
    nearly everyone. But it's not obvious to me that there is a clear line
    of demarcation. Perhaps acts of coercion are merely more ethical or
    less ethical that other acts. And I notice that I didn't consider the
    expected consequences of the various acts. If those are an important
    component, then things get a lot more complicated. But if they aren't,
    then what is the value of the scale?

    Then there are other components. After someone has purchased an
    expensive house with a magnificent view, is it his neighbor's right to
    build a high fence? How high? This isn't coercion, but it's certainly
    provokation. So perhaps the model is too simple...

    Simple words and traditional concepts are more suited to understanding
    things quickly than to understanding them correctly. It's rather like
    the army rule for officers: "Make a quick decision, and be certain. If
    you happen to be right, so much the better." And that has merit if you
    are trying to act quickly. But if you are trying to make a
    philosophical analysis, it induces oversimplified reasoning. This is a
    good part of why physics shifted over to mathematical models. But when
    we can't measure things, what are the alternatives?

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