Re: Can Extropianism and Islam coexist?

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Date: Mon Mar 31 2003 - 17:04:11 MST

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    As an aside, I have heard arguments that the render unto Caeser quote is a
    misinterpretation, that
    what Yeshua was referring to was an Old Testament text, and that the meaning
    in context
    is "nothing is Caeser's: therefore render unto him nothing".

    Sharia law is incompatible with the principles of choice, for example the
    believe that apostates can be punished.

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Michael M. Butler" <mmb@spies.com>
    To: <extropians@extropy.org>
    Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 8:41 PM
    Subject: Re: Can Extropianism and Islam coexist?

    > Hey Eliezer! Is this an IRAQ thread? I can't tell.
    >
    > Ahem. Following on from my first post to this thread:
    >
    > One way of casting what seems to me to be the crucial question is "Can
    > _Islam_ tolerate /'the separation of Church and State'/?"
    >
    > Sayyid Qutb was a modern-day, madrassa-and-college-educated Muslim scholar
    > who was hanged (/martyred) in Egypt in 1966. His influence has grown
    since.
    >
    > His answer to that question was, based on my reading of secondary sources,
    > a resounding "NO." The "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and render
    > unto God what is God's" of the Christian New Testament was in his view the
    > core error of Western Civilization and the cause of all that he found
    wrong
    > with it--apart from a huge streak of Zionism-related perfidy, that is.
    >
    > His masterwork is said to be a huge text called "In the Shadow of the
    > Quran"--written in prison on smuggled paper, currently in translation to
    > English as "fifteen fat volumes". I have not read them, but I hope to
    > browse them someday soon.
    >
    > This book has been referred to, by some, as "Das Kapital for Islamicists".
    > But I am told that does not do it justice--it is sweeping, lyrical and
    > embodies deep currents of compassion for the disaffected. As long as they
    > submit to Allah.
    >
    > So, to borrow from William F. Buckley and V. I. Lenin:
    >
    > "The question then becooooomes: 'What is to be done?'"
    >
    > MMB
    >



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