Re: [IRAQ] polls on the war

From: Spudboy100@aol.com
Date: Sun Mar 30 2003 - 21:05:19 MST

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    Damien at Cal Tech claimed:

    <<Wow.  Ad hominem on the scale of whole nations.  German and Japanese
    opposition I suppose you'll dismiss because of WWII.  The British, what, too
    socialist?  Ditto for the Canadians, despite all the peacekeeping troops they
    send out.  Eastern European opposition, despite their usually being our best
    friends these days on account of deep appreciation for our role in the Cold
    War, doesn't matter because...>>

    Nations act out of perceived self-interest, is this a surprise? Also, no
    nation that you mentioned experienced a 9-11. So I am guessing the majorities
    think that the US should worry about it, not them.

    <<Do you really think hundreds of thousands of people are protesting, and the
    poll results are so opposed, because of oil?  French and Russian governmental
    concern for oil contracts I could believe.  But we're talking about the
    popular opinion of a majority of the First World.  When they say that bad as
    Iraq is it's not worth a war, when they question the claims of WMDs and of
    support for terrorists, asking for more evidence than forged and plagiarised
    documents, how are you so sure you can dismiss them?>>

    My response is that yes, a lot of these other countries are interested in
    lining their pockets. That like the French, they have a psychological need
    for another "super power" to "counter-balance the US. That anti-Americanism
    has become the latest fashion in hatred, long before 9-11 happend of Bush jr.
    got put in office. That your accusation of forged and plaguerized docs seems
    incorrect.

    <<Oh, economic costs.  I'd interpreted the claim about burdens we bore alone
    as
    referring to lack of moral support.  Yes, we've spent 3x as much of our GDP
    on
    the military, and tended to have a bigger GDP, especially shortly after WWII.
    -xx- Damien X-) >>

    No, the US Taxpayer spent the costs in people and material, not the
    Bundeswehr, not the Royal Navy, not the Norwegian Air Force. The United
    States footed the bill, far and above and beyond was was allocated to Nato,
    during the cold war. This was decades after WW2, right through the 1990's.



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