Anthropoid objections [semi-long], was Re: anthropic reasoning

From: Michael M. Butler (mmb@spies.com)
Date: Thu Mar 27 2003 - 17:47:50 MST

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    [Bleak downcast confession: I run the risk of treading old familiar ground
    to the Bayesians here, but it's either that or dredging for W*R news, and
    for the moment I choose the former. Bayes, forgive me, for I have sinned.]

    On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:22:34 +0100, scerir <scerir@libero.it> wrote:

    > Thus anthropic reasoning predicts that we should
    > find ourselves in such a large civilization, while in fact we do not.
    > There
    > must be an important flaw in our understanding of the structure of the
    > universe and the range of development of civilizations, or in the process
    > of
    > anthropic reasoning.

    This bugs me, and statements of this sort have always bugged me. I think
    I'm wary of it as a possible misapplication of what is often called "the
    law of large numbers".

    It seems to me that saying things like "we should" rather than something
    more like "out of /x/ trials, a civilization was seen in /y/ cases to
    possess property /w/, with a variation /z/ across trial sets, suggesting
    probability P" is a huge palming-of-a-card, possibly itself in a quasi-
    anthropic way. Akin to the claim (a loaded one, but easy to come by) that
    because x-ethnicity is usually in jail, I "ought to be" in jail because I
    am x-ethnicity. I mean, it (getting to "we/I should") *is* apparently the
    evolutionary-biology explanation for why we *like* odds so much, but that
    doesn't make it _true_.

    On momentary reflection about my objection, it also seems to me to,
    vaguely, relate to the gambler's fallacy. But I'm not sure I can put my
    finger on why, just now.

    We don't have a huge set of observations/trials (monte carlo or otherwise)
    of something like our-civilization-being-instantiated, or more to the point
    "our-individual-beings-being-instantiated" to go on. We have a theory (a
    notion, actually), and the ability to create a formula and do algebra, and
    one data point. "HEY! I got the THREE OF CLUBS! The odds of that are 52 to
    1! Wow, how unlikely!"

    I mean to say, what if 51 of the kinds of civilizations that might exist
    don't look anything like ours, or each other?--as one possibility only. Or
    what if we *are* a "big" civilization? Seems like a pretty plain variation
    on the old Drake equation--either the combinatorics create a dinky number,
    or the model is incomplete, or the observations are missing something, or
    some combination of factors. In which case it's old news--Fermi's "Where
    are they?" in a different t-shirt.

    Perhaps I'm just a lazy thinker. Perhaps my gray-to-white-matter ratio will
    never permit me to apprehend this sort of thinking deeply enough to accept
    it as truth. At present, though I can entertain it, it just makes my
    bogometer needle wander into the yellow zone, rather near where many
    people's retreats to commitment do. "If I were a dog, I'd hate it, because
    I'd chase sticks. And I hate chasing sticks."

    Am I making any sense here?

    I'll try to think more about it. "Help thou my unbelief."

    MMB



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