LEF responds/was RE: funding and advocacy for anti-aging research

From: Technotranscendence (neptune@mars.superlink.net)
Date: Thu Mar 27 2003 - 15:37:46 MST

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    In reaction to Ramez's posts, I sent along the following message to
    Dayna Dye of the Life Extension Foundation. Dayna's response follows.

    Dan
    http://uweb.superlink.net/neptune/
    ________
    Dayna Dye:

    I'm a member of the Extropians email (see
    http://www.extropy.org/exi-lists/ ) list where life extension is a
    regular topic of discussion. Another member of that list, Ramez Naam,
    claims:

    "The LEF is not, to my knowledge, funding or conducting any serious
    anti-aging research. They seem to focus their efforts on selling
    products of questionable value rather than attempting to develop truly
    effective interventions against aging."

    (I include the original post below under the title "first message."
    [I'm not including Ramez's post to save space.])

    In a follow up post, Ramez asserts:

    "I mean it in the sense that there's little or no evidence that most of
    the products they sell actually slow down the aging process or extend
    life. In many cases (DHEA, anti-oxidant vitamins, etc..) there's
    evidence showing that they in fact *don't* slow the aging process or
    extend life in humans.

    "The LEF chooses to sell these substances anyway. Their marketing
    material has long lists of studies that support (however indirectly)
    their claims that these products can lengthen your life. But they fail
    to report on the important studies refuting these claims. To me, that
    seems unethical. At the very least it's unscientific.

    In any case, for most of the substances they sell, there's just not
    enough evidence to know one way or another. There's also not enough
    safety data to know how they'll affect humans in large doses or over the
    long term. That's "questionable value" in my book."

    (I include the original post below under the title "second message."
    [I'm not including Ramez's post to save space.])

    I'd like to know if you or someone from LEF could rebutt Ramez Naam's
    claim. [snip]

    If anyone wishes to respond to Ramez on the list, I can pass the message
    along to the list or see http://www.extropy.org/exi-lists/ for
    information on how to post to that list independently.

    [snip]

    Thank you for your time and attention.

    I am most sincerely,

    Daniel Ust

    Here follow Dayna's response.

    From: Dayna Dye DDye@lifeextension.com
    To: Technotranscendence neptune@mars.superlink.net
    Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:36 AM
    Subject: RE: Rebuttal requested

    Dear Mr Ust:

    For information concerning research funded by the Life Extension
    Foundation see:
    http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/track.html

    Concerning the products we sell in order to fund that research, some
    have been shown to extend mean lifespan in animal studies. There have
    been no studies showing that nutritional supplements extend or do not
    extend maximum lifespan in humans. You would need to design a study
    that was at least 120 years in length. Even a study showing that a
    particular nutrient extends mean lifespan would need to last a century.
    The only human study that comes to mind of this nature was published in
    the March 3 2001 issue of the Lancet (2001; 357:657-63), concerning
    vitamin C levels being associated with lower mortality over the four
    year period of the study.

    Based on animal studies and on the knowledge that reducing the risk of
    certain diseases can extend mean lifespan (and there are plenty of
    studies to show that various nutrients do reduce the risk of many
    diseases) it is safe to say that supplementing one's diet may help to
    extend one's life. Even the one therapy that has been proven to extend
    maximum lifespan in every species of animal in which it was tried,
    calorie restriction, has not been proven to extend human lifespan, but
    we consider it a safe bet to say that it will. It is unfortunate that
    most people don't have the self-discipline to attempt it.

    When negative studies concerning supplements are published, we do take
    the time to investigate and have published rebuttals
    http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/may2000_vitamin_c_03.html
    http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/may2000_canasads_01.html .
    Sometimes there are flaws in the study revealed by other articles that
    we have published on our website's front page Life Extension Daily News
    feature (archived at http://www.lef.org/newsarchive/) . Frequently
    there is a negative study on a subject for which there may be several
    positive studies - hence the public's surprise when these findings are
    released. When one negative study appears to contradict several
    positive studies, one needs to look at study design to see if this could
    be why different results have occurred. Additionally, there are
    negative findings and unwanted effects associated with everything,
    nutritional supplements included. Our website has 6,000 pages of
    information but we have not posted every positive and negative abstract
    on every nutritional supplement. Nevertheless, if there are warnings or
    contraindications for any supplement, these are posted in the product
    information pages of our website http://www.lef.org/prod_desc/index.html

    For longer life,

    Dayna Dye
    Editor, Life Extension Weekly Update
    ddye@lifeextension.com
    954 766 8433 extension 7716
    Sign up for Life Extension Weekly Update at www.lef.org



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