From: hubert mania (humania@t-online.de)
Date: Wed Mar 26 2003 - 03:31:20 MST
Lee said:
> Hubert writes
>
> > By the way, if anybody still wants an "Old" European
> > Liberation Army to come over and liberate your people
> > from the BUsh junta, I guess chances are good now. A
> > few month ago I was the only one I knew who propagated
> > this proposal, but meanwhile, where 50.000 schoolboys
> > and schoolgirls gathered in Berlin on the first day of
> > war, I heard similar statements. Makes me think the
> > young generation in Germany is on the right path.
>
> Yeah, a lot of German schoolboys in the last century
> conceived that a number of other countries needed
> liberating---
These contemporary schoolboys and girls are against war in general. They
have
learned their lesson. Their proposal to liberate the US cannot be more than
an ironic expression of frustration and powerlessness. Same with me by the
way.
> Sounds like the young generation might be on the same
> failed path as last time around. :-( Fifty thousand,
> eh? Was it by any chance a torchlight get-together?
No, they assembled in the center of Berlin in the morning, a lot of them
encouraged by their teachers to leave school and protest against the war
> Could it
> possibly be, JUST POSSIBLY, that the U.S. is seen as a
> superpower that needs cutting down to size, and that
> this is the actual unconscious motivation?
No, I am absolutely free of envy. As far as I am concerned the US can stay
the most powerful nation in the world. I have nothing to do with power and
military and weapon business and all that sick stuff. But here the USA is an
aggressor and all you war supporters are caught in the hugest propaganda
trap of all times.
> > Many private and public aid organisations are trying
> > to alleviate the misery that your abused and betrayed
> > soldiers have caused. The biggest private German
> > medicine organisation is on the way.
>
> Where were they when the tens of thousands of Iraqis
> were being brutalized by that regime? Selling goods
> to the Iraq regime, I've heard say.
I am no fan of German business criminals or corrupt politicians. I am no
fucking patriot. Do not confuse my point of view with the behaviour of
German business men and politicians. There are some weapon connections
between Iraq and Germany, I know it and I do not approve of it.
But I was talking about German humanitarian help TODAY for the desaster that
the US and British forces have caused.
> > I feel pity for these very young POWs shown on
> > TV. Poor kids, probably thought they were
> > invincible because they belong to God's own
> > country. Bullshit.
>
> Now I know I'm right about your deep feeling of wanting
> to cut the U.S. down to size.
You Americans can stay the best, be the winner all the time, I don't care.
Be proud and pray. But please: stay at home and let your young generation
LIVE.
I was talking here about the ill-fated connection between a fundamentalistic
religious sense of mission and devastating military power and the absolutely
vicious seduction of the young generation to fight thousands of miles away
from home for the false goals of a senile president who was an alcoholic and
is not able to read or understand a complex text. It makes me mad to see
that the archetype of old men sending their grandsons and daughters to die
is still alive and kicking.
If the USA were attacked and invaded by troops: you could count on me, I
would be your ally from the first minute. But this "forced diplomacy" going
on there in the desert is absolutely wrong.
Don't you see that the whole world is against you??
> I'm amazed that more
> Europeans don't feel this same thing that you do. A
> huge part of European culture has had the built-in
> assumption for centuries of their ruling over the rest
> of the world, and so watching the US and USSR usurp that
> role simply cannot have gone down easily for many.
In an international forum like this one you must face the danger of being
confused with the view point of your Government. I am sure the feelings
that you suspect here, exist in a minority of the power elite in every
European country. But there is today an overwhelming majority in Germany
that in contrast to the USA has learned it's historical lesson - finally.
> While I'm sure that I would feel the same way to a
> small degree, I'd also be able to keep those feelings
> very much in check, as in fact so many Europeans have
> indeed shown they can do.
Fucking NO. Why should I keep my feelings in check? I know I am powerless,
and I won't stop yelling at persons who do not comprehend
that the USA is committing a crime right now.
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