Re: Libertarian theory breaking down

From: Rafal Smigrodzki (rafal@smigrodzki.org)
Date: Fri Mar 21 2003 - 10:05:41 MST

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    On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 09:01, Amara Graps wrote:
    > >### Reading the "Machinery of freedom" it seems to me that David
    > >Friedman wasn't able to come up with a plausible anarchist solution to
    > >the problem of defense against organized external aggression, and he
    > >admits it.
    >
    > yes, and...? I don't think that this is inconsistent with his
    > political anarchocapitalist position. He has many places in his
    > book where he points out difficulties (I've read the book too.)
    >
    > However, your comment, Rafal, doesn't connect with my comment
    > that I don't think that there are ways to distinguish libertarians
    > from anarchists, libertarians being the larger category.

    ### Yes, now I understand what you meant. Still, I would find it useful
    if we could come up with a concise terminology differentiating the
    various flavors of libertarianism. I am of the group who accept a
    tax-supported government for provision of some types of mainly
    second-order public goods (protection against massive, organized
    violence, provision of some limited types of information, legal rules on
    information disclosure and tort liability insurance), as well as being
    the payor of last resort in merit-based charity. I wonder what that
    should be called. Non-anarchist libertarian? Minarchist?
    Libertarian-lite?
    >
    > Amara
    >
    > BTW, A central government.. of any kind.. provides a big fat target
    > for any kind of aggression. If your society consists of a network
    > of inconsequential nodes, then where do any possible aggressors
    > attack? A network of nodes have little need of a defense against
    > organized external aggression.
    >
    ### The solution is simple - you go after every single little node,
    relentlessly kill anybody in your way. Sooner, rather than later,
    everybody alive will surrender and become cogs in your machine.

    Vinge used an assumption to make his "Ungoverned" scenario plausible -
    massively improved economic efficiency in the ungoverned areas compared
    to the politically organized neighbors allowed even single citizens to
    oppose an invasion (bobbling was a useful literary device, too). This
    assumption might be true - indeed, I do believe that a well-organized
    anarchy (sounds like an oxymoron, perhaps, but you know what I mean)
    might the superior economic system. Still, for the anarchy to
    successfully resist an invasion without developing a political
    organization of its own (and becoming just another state) requires a
    very significant edge in technology and it is not clear how it could be
    achieved and maintained.

    Rafal



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