Re: Do patents really foster innovation?

From: Rafal Smigrodzki (rafal@smigrodzki.org)
Date: Sun Mar 09 2003 - 15:28:08 MST

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    From: "Charles Hixson" <charleshixsn@earthlink.net>
    To: <extropians@extropy.org>
    Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:31 AM
    Subject: Re: Do patents really foster innovation?

    > Rafal Smigrodzki wrote:
    >
    > >----- Original Message -----
    > >From: "Hal Finney" <hal@finney.org>
    > >...
    > >
    > >### This is a very interesting line of thought that I have been recently
    > >coming closer to. If the producer of a piece of information (be it music
    or
    > >knowledge embodied in a physical object) was really able to protect his
    > >property while allowing wide access to it, but without having a
    > >state-enforced monopoly, this might be actually better than the current
    > >situation. Persons unwilling to accept the terms set out by the owner
    would
    > >be free to compete by coming up with comparable information on their own,
    > >which would provide incentives to produce useful information, identical
    to
    > >the incentives in the production of other commodities. Still, not knowing
    > >enough about technology, I wonder if it would be really possible to
    protect
    > >information ownership rights without some significant restrictions on the
    > >devices used for the transmission and reading of information. How does
    > >Palladium work?
    > >
    > This is the key question. Palladium won't exist in a vacuum. It's
    > ability to work will depend on new and improved laws, e.g., laws making
    > it illegal to modify hardware to circumvent it. And it will be largely
    > designed by a company that has repeatedly shown a contempt for it's
    > customers, ethics, and decency. And that frequently lies about it's
    > products, not only before release, but afterwards. So it's going to be
    > a new kind of state enforced monopoly, not get away from that concept.
    > (Getting away from the concept would be worthy, but no state will give
    > up controls on any monopolies that exist. The best you can hope for is
    > that it might make it difficult to create new ones. The state is
    > practically defined as an organization that claims a monopoly on the use
    > of force.)
    \
    ### Exactly. See my response to Hal today.
    -----------------
    >
    > >
    > >I fully agree with the initial part of your analysis, since an
    appropriately
    > >managed patent and copyright system IMO indeed reduces transaction costs
    and
    > >allows the provision of useful goods which would otherwise not be
    provided.
    > >
    > This is correct, but the presumption "...appropriately managed..."
    > assumes that those managing it have the same criteria as you do as to
    > what this constitutes. For some people the current US patent system is
    > "appropriately managed". And those people are the ones in control of
    > the operation.

    ### The free market - that's the solution. See my reply to Hal.

    Rafal



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