RE: Obesity (was Extropic Priniciples)

From: Adrian Tymes (wingcat@pacbell.net)
Date: Wed Mar 05 2003 - 16:41:54 MST

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    --- Gary Miller <garymiller@starband.net> wrote:
    > >> It sounds like such a great idea, any reasons
    > anyone can present why
    > I shouldn't think it one?
    >
    > People already addicted to food would be encouraged
    > to increase
    > consumption further. Thus exacerbating the food
    > shortage which exists
    > in many parts of the world.

    As has been pointed out in countless places, including
    repeatedly on this list before, famine is a
    distribution problem, not a food shortage. We have so
    much spare food available that people are talking
    about using some of it to replace petroleum fuels.

    > Burning more calories also does nothing to encourage
    > cardiovascular
    > health. The heart is a muscle and like any other
    > muscle it stays in
    > tone by the training effect achieved by exercise.
    > Too much cholesterol
    > or homocysteine in your system and you still may
    > have plugged arteries.
    > You may look skinny but still die of a heart attack
    > or stroke.

    True to some extent, though if I understand the
    chemistry right, that which plugs up your arteries
    would slowly diffuse to make up for that which is
    consumed by this device, thus making this not as much
    of a problem. It won't make a couch potato into an
    athlete, of course, but it's not supposed to.

    > I guess what I'm saying is the benefits of good diet
    > and exercise still
    > has many health benefits that outweigh just having a
    > high metabolism.

    Then argue them. For instance, you might be concerned
    about people not getting the vitamins in green
    vegetables. Counter: if one need not be worried about
    the calories, one could eat several hamburgers - each
    with its own complement of lettuce (and other
    vegetables) - until one had enough. (Granted, the
    volume of calorie processing for this approach would
    take either a rather refined device, an impractically
    large device, or a lot of smaller devices, but it
    could be done. Personally, I'd take the "lot of
    smaller devices" route if I were to do it.) Even junk
    food usually has at least trace amounts of good
    nutrients.

    The exercise bit is a more solid objection than the
    diet bit, but if people get enough exercise to survive
    (and, honestly, even most obese people *do* move
    around somewhat in a given day), then their lives can
    be lengthened until practical replacements for that
    come along. Plus, if people need less energy to move
    around, then they are likely to move around a bit
    more, thus getting more exercise than they would while
    loaded down. (Consider: if you could run around the
    block without breaking a sweat, vs. if you could
    barely drag yourself around the block, winding up
    panting and wheezing and generally very
    uncomfortable...well, in which situation would *you*
    more likely choose to go for a walk?)

    > If people could stay skinny without eating right or
    > exercising the net
    > effect might be more people dieing prematurely!

    Highly doubtful. Nonzero probability, of course, but
    I would suspect it is far more likely that many more
    lives (or, at least, person-years) would be saved than
    would be lost if this were deployed.



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