Re: No Planck limit for time!???

From: scerir (scerir@libero.it)
Date: Sun Feb 23 2003 - 05:20:08 MST

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    From: "Reason"
    > The transactional interpretation of QM uses retarded waves.
    > Worth a look [...]

    Anton Zeilinger writes:
    http://www.quantum.univie.ac.at/zeilinger/philosop.html
    'In the Transactional Interpretation the state vector
    is considered to be a real physical wave emitted as
    an "offer wave" based on the preparation procedure
    of the experiment. The interaction then comes to a close
    through the emission of the "confirmation wave"
    by what is usually called the collapse of the wave function.
    The quantum particle, e.g. the photon, electron etc.,
    is then considered to be identical with the finished transaction.
    It is fundamental to that interpretation that where
    the closure of the transaction takes place is
    an unexplained input to the process.
    In the Consistent Histories Interpretation we have
    a similar situation because there the observed event
    again is a fundamental input in the sense that it
    determines the set of possible histories consistent
    with the observation made. There is no attempt to try
    to explain why a specific event happened besides
    on the basis of the consistent histories which
    had been constructed in order to be consistent
    with the observed event.'

    Yes, it seems that MWI is much stronger!

    But somebody think that information is the key factor.

    Information and fundamental elements of the structure of quantum theory
    Authors: Caslav Brukner, Anton Zeilinger
    Comments: 22 pages, 9 figures; Contribution to the Festschrift for C. F. v.
    Weizsaecker on the occasion of his 90th birthday
    http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0212084
    Niels Bohr wrote: "There is no quantum world. There is only an abstract
    quantum physical description. It is wrong to think that the task of physics
    is to find out how Nature is. Physics concerns what we can say about
    Nature." In an analogous way, von Weizsaecker suggested that the notion of
    the elementary alternative, the "Ur", should play a pivotal role when
    constructing physics. Both approaches suggest that the concept of
    information should play an essential role in the foundations of any
    scientific description of Nature. We show that if, in our description of
    Nature, we use one definite proposition per elementary constituent of
    Nature, some of the essential characteristics of quantum physics, such as
    the irreducible randomness of individual events, quantum complementary and
    quantum entanglement, arise in a natural way. Then quantum physics is an
    elementary theory of information.

    And another big name (actually the inventor of decoherence)
    pointed out that QM sometimes speaks of It, sometimes speaks
    of Bit.

    The Wave Function: It or Bit?
    Authors: H. D. Zeh
    Comments: Several comments added, in particular regarding the role of a
    "second" quantization and concerning some recently proposed cosmological
    models. -- 21 pages, Latex
    http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0204088
    Schroedinger's wave function shows many aspects of a state of incomplete
    knowledge or information ("bit"): (1) it is usually defined on a space of
    classical configurations, (2) its generic entanglement is, therefore,
    analogous to statistical correlations, and (3) it determines probabilities
    of measurement outcomes. Nonetheless, quantum superpositions (such as
    represented by a wave function) define individual physical states ("it").
    This conceptual dilemma may have its origin in the conventional operational
    foundation of physical concepts, successful in classical physics, but
    inappropriate in quantum theory because of the existence of mutually
    exclusive operations (used for the definition of concepts). In contrast, a
    hypothetical realism, based on concepts that are justified only by their
    universal and consistent applicability, favors the wave function as a
    description of (thus nonlocal) physical reality. The (conceptually local)
    classical world then appears as an illusion, facilitated by the phenomenon
    of decoherence, which is consistently explained by the very entanglement
    that must dynamically arise in a universal wave function.

    [I prefer this one, since 1972, :-)]

    And - like Pontius Pilatus - somebody else at last wrote ....

    'The question of whether the waves are something "real" or a function
    to describe and predict phenomena in a convenient way is a matter of
    taste. I personally like to regard a probability wave, even in
    3N-dimensional
    space, as a real thing, certainly as more than a tool for mathematical
    calculations ... Quite generally, how could we rely on probability
    predictions if by this notion we do not refer to something real and
    objective?' - M. Born, Dover publ., 1964, Natural Philosophy of Cause and
    Chance,
    p. 107



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