RE: spreading democracy (was: Bush budget has 0 dollars for Afghanistan)

From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Feb 19 2003 - 21:20:26 MST

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    --- Ramez Naam <mez@apexnano.com> wrote:
    > From: MaxPlumm@aol.com [mailto:MaxPlumm@aol.com]
    > > If our actions in Iraq are based on "selfish" issues of
    > > national interest rather than the "spreading of freedom and
    > > democracy" and the end result is still a better quality of
    > > life for the Iraqi people, I don't see what the problem is.
    > > Altruism didn't motivate our actions in World War II or the
    > > Cold War and its many proxies, yet millions nonetheless benefited.
    >
    > Here's the problem. If we're not committed to establishing democracy
    > in Iraq, we may be content to install (or allow to come to power) a
    > "friendly dictator". That serves US short term interests just fine -
    > it stops Iraq from getting nukes. But in the long term, friendly
    > dictators increase terrorism against the US and destabilize the
    > world.

    Do muslim people have a greater or lesser desire for democracy than
    those in the west? It seems to me and many others that muslim nations
    can't seem to have democracy without going off the deep end into
    religious fundamentalism (which has a tendency to like to attack the
    West, esp with terrorism). Iran is merely one of the longer lasting
    examples. Turkey is living under a fundamentalist administration, while
    Algeria dealt with elections that selected fundies as well. Egyptian
    democrats are also almost all radical fundies. What gives?

    It seems like the only moderates are benign despots who are western
    educated (Jordan's Hussein, Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi, etc) and who have to
    deal with significant fundie threats within their countries.

    It is only this history that generates any sort of caution in the west
    for supporting democracy in the muslim world. What say you?

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    Mike Lorrey
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