Re: One solution to the Fermi Paradox

From: Robert J. Bradbury (bradbury@aeiveos.com)
Date: Sat Feb 15 2003 - 15:19:24 MST

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    On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Technotranscendence (Daniel) forwarded this
    piece from Starship_Forum, I'm responding to both groups.

    > Dennis May determinism@hotmail.com wrote (to Starship_Forum):

    > Weapons of mass destruction change everything.
    > In space, the scale of mass destruction grows
    > without bound.

    No it doesn't. There are "effective" limits on everything.
    Even the most energetic events in space such as stellar
    collisions or gamma ray bursts have effective ranges.
    If they didn't we would have been wiped out long ago.
    See the Nov. 2002 issue of Scientific American, the
    article "When Stars Collide" for further discussion.

    > In space, the family truckster could be a kinetic
    > energy WoMD by its very nature. The power plant
    > to run farms could be a dual use producer of
    > fissionable materials for atomic weapons.

    I don't understand where you are obtaining the energy from.
    It sounds like you are planning on breeding elements lighter
    than uranium into uranium or other higher MW elements that
    are capable of fission. The most readily available power
    sources for this are light energy from a star (fusion) and
    local fusion reactors. This seems like it will be a very
    inefficient process.

    > Mining equipment could steer a large rock down a
    > gravitational well and destroy whole civilizations.

    Not any "intelligent" civilization. An intelligent
    civilization where individuals seek to live indefinitely
    has to adopt a form of a distributed replicated intelligence.
    (I pointed this out at the Extro 3 conference in 1997).
    This thought vector subsequently led to the design civilizations
    spanning solar system sized scales (e.g. Matrioshka Brains). The
    size limits for Matrioshka Brain civilizations powered by sol type
    (G) stars are around 3 light years in diameter. Hurling an
    asteroid or a comet at such a civilization isn't going dent
    its capacities even slightly, though it might annoy it
    (which is probably *not* a good idea).

    > How can space tyrants disarm a populace when dual
    > use includes WoMD capabilities?

    This is still thinking too much along the lines of
    primitive human space travel. Things are quite
    different when one takes ones entire star system
    on the journey.

    > The next question is how to defend against
    > individuals and terror groups wielding these
    > same common industrial WoMD.

    Easy -- distributed, replicated intelligence. The actions
    of individuals or terror groups is pointless if they cannot
    destroy "all" of you. All they do by injuring part of you
    is annoy you. And as Khan observed, "Revenge is a dish
    best served cold".

    > Space societies, including Earth bound societies,
    > will have to adapt to these changes or be wiped out.
    > WoMD are getting cheaper and cheaper. With an
    > increasingly wealthy society their cost will become
    > trivial and the knowledge of WoMD common.

    The WoMD paths do not (to a large extent) drive this.
    The natural hazard function (sooner or later you will
    be in the wrong place at the wrong time) drives it.
    If you expect to extend your longevity to stellar
    time scales you simply have to become a distributed
    replicated intelligence. (The only alternate path
    that might be feasible is for an individual/civilization
    to leave for intergalactic space where the hazard function
    may be much lower.)

    > It has to change the arrangement of human societies.
    > Aliens will have the same problem - hence my solution
    > to the Fermi Paradox - only those who hide live in
    > the long run.

    Perhaps true "in the long run". But the universe has
    not reached the point where there are resource shortages
    that would tend to promote interstellar warfare. For now
    there are lots of resources to supply the development of
    multiple advanced civilizations.

    > SETI's theory is to look for local loud-
    > mouths living contrary to this military model. They
    > might eventually find a loudmouth, an accidental signal,
    > or a lure designed to expose other civilizations. We
    > should expect these to be rare give the implications
    > of WoMD.

    The "implications of WoMD" have little or nothing to do
    with whether civilizations "announce" themselves to their
    local region of space or their galaxy. All but the most
    advanced civilizations must generate heat at detectable
    levels. Any civilization with advanced observational
    capabilities will know where you are and what your
    development (energy) level is unless you choose to
    live within a dust cloud. That will significantly
    limit your ability to view other civilizations and
    send out moderately high speed interstellar probes.

    Advanced civilizations care little about our current WoMD.
    They do care about nearby star collisions or GRB and neutron
    stars or black holes being hurled in their direction. But
    such events require a lot of planning and energy and can
    probably be avoided by a civilization which is relatively
    alert.

    Robert



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