RE: Parallel Universes

From: Rafal Smigrodzki (rafal@smigrodzki.org)
Date: Thu Feb 13 2003 - 16:26:58 MST

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    Damien wrote:
    > Serafino says:
    >
    > [Me trimming desperately:]
    >
    >> Yes, maybe there are many different MWI.
    >>
    >> I.e. there is one MWI assuming that quantum objects, detectors,
    >> observers, etc., are simply *split* between the various branches.
    >
    >> There is another MWI assuming that particles, observers, and
    >> instruments, are *multiplied*.
    >
    >>> Tegmark argues that universes join as well as branch. We may have
    >>> multiple pasts as well as multiple futures.
    >>
    >> Yes, this seems similar to Feynman paths.
    >
    > Around this point my brain usually makes a clicking sound and
    > reboots. I *think* I can see what's going on (yes, like everyone here
    > I've read *Q.E.D.*) until I try to correlate it all. Just to take one
    > simple point:
    >
    > The Feynman account of least action is (so to speak) that every action
    > occurs multiply and simultaneously, with destructive and constructive
    > interference obliterating the less likely or more energy-hungry
    > trajectories and reinforcing the least-energy path.
    >
    > I've never understood what exactly is meant to be doing all this
    > interference (the wave aspect of the quantum universe, apparently,
    > whatever that means), or virtual particles, or handwaving in Hilbert
    > space, but once we move to a MWI *there's no way the superposed
    > alternatives can all be REAL*.
    >
    > In olde worlde quantum physics, they weren't kinda really real to
    > start with; what is real, what is concretized and instantiated, is
    > their compounded and mutual interaction. (Right?) In Copenhagen,
    > there is only one Real World; the many worlds blur together like many
    > photographs of faces to form the One Common True Bland Face of
    > Reality. In Deutschean MW, `shadow' particles from all the adjacent
    > worlds somehow mess with trajectories of measurable, detectable
    > particles.
    >
    > But wait! Here's this great swathe of possible paths, all of them
    > taken, each of them the trajectory native to its own idiosyncratic
    > world--but what *we* *here* experience is (almost) always that one
    > goddam minimal action path. This looks wildly inconsistent with MW to
    > me. (Of course it might be that in the MW manifold there is an a
    > priori high p value for the least action path, so any observer is
    > almost always in such a world--but that just establishes by fiat what
    > is meant to be explained.
    >
    > Any takers?

    ### Let me guess: the measure of universes close to the minimal action path
    is much greater than the measure of universes diverging from it
    significantly?

    There is a Damien who always wins the lottery :-)

    Rafal



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