Number of Universes (was Parallel Universes)

From: Lee Corbin (lcorbin@tsoft.com)
Date: Wed Feb 12 2003 - 21:00:30 MST

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    Some separate discussions in the thread Parallel Universes
    really need breaking out. I hope everyone tries.

    gts writes

    > Max M wrote:
    >
    > > Hmm ... and nobody sees the paradox in that the infinite universes
    > > would take an infinite amount of energy? The idea smack of paranormal
    > > claims that cannot be tested.

    In the Tegmark level one universe, there are infinitely many galaxies.
    Yes, that means infinitely much energy. What is the problem?

    > The proper word is "indefinite" rather than "infinite" when describing
    > the number of supposed universes in the multiverse. I try to point this
    > out every so often.

    If the universe is ergodic (uniform matter distribution levels
    higher than of 10^24 meters---100 million light years), then
    there is a galaxy for each positive integer. Thus the cardinality
    of the set of galaxies is aleph-zero. Of course, no particular
    galaxy is at an infinite distance, just as no particular integer
    is infinitely far from zero. (In level two, Tegmark discusses
    universes that *are* further away than any finite quantity.
    There really is no substitute for reading this most wonderful
    of papers: http://it.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0302131

    > The quasi-religious word "infinite" always tends to enter into
    > discussions of MWI, probably for the same reason that words like
    > "eternity" enter into discussions of religion.

    I consider both infinite and eternal (or eternity) to
    have reputable referents, in either physics or religion.
    Moreover, about MWI---David Deutsch says on p. 211 of
    "The Fabric of Reality" that the number of universes
    is a continuum, meaning that there are more than merely
    countably many of them (as with the integers). The
    number of universes in MWI is 2^aleph-null, at least
    aleph-one.

    Lee



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