Re: Cosmology Question

From: Lee Corbin (lcorbin@tsoft.com)
Date: Tue Feb 11 2003 - 00:06:48 MST

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    Last week I was thinking about a quote of Giordano Bruno
    whose vision of space was homogeneous, infinite, and
    populated by infintely many worlds:

       There is a single general space, a single vast immensity which
       we may freely call Void: in it are innumerable globes like this
       one on which we live and grow; this space declare to be infinite,
       since neither reason, convenience, sense-perception nor nature
       assign to it a limit.

    This is quite wonderful. I think that he is the first person
    to announce the complete end of anthropocentrism (in the sense
    of there being nothing so special about us or Earth in the
    whole cosmos).

    As I mentioned earlier, over the last decades it had gradually
    dawned on me that despite all the interesting topologies one
    hears about for our universe, no one had quite proclaimed that
    the whole thing was finite.

    Yesterday I did a little calculation: say that there are 10^51
    atoms in the Earth, and suppose that morphologically there is
    one Earth per galaxy. Then we have, going in a straight line
    from here about one Earth every two million light years.

    But of course, all those Earth-like planets up to geological
    similarity cannot be expected to have people. To complete
    Bruno's vision I supposed that any configuration of the 10^51
    atoms to be equally probably (and an extremely conservative
    bound). There would be about 10^51! (that is, 10^51 factorial)
    such configurations. This is fewer than 10^51^51, which is
    less than 10^10^53, a number that is so vast that if you
    multiply it by a million light-years, you don't change its
    value. Thus, amazingly enough (or so I thought), one must
    encounter a world exactly like this one in any direction
    you go, if you go about 10^10^53 light years.

    But Amara suggests

    > Astrophysics, abstract
    > astro-ph/0302131

    > http://it.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0302131

    > From: Max Tegmark <max@hep.upenn.edu>
    > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 01:39:52 GMT

    a new Tegmark essay. Almost in the very first paragraph Tegmark
    announces that you will almost surely find an Earth exactly like
    this one only 10^10^29 meters from here! A fantastically nice
    reduction of my crude estimate. (And, as any mega-mathematician
    will tell you, whether you use meters or light-years when dealing
    with this kind of magnitude is entirely immaterial.)

    Now (unless you were a cryonicist or other immortalist), would
    you get at all excited to learn that there was an Earth almost
    exactly like this one only 200 ly distant?

    You would? Why? What's the practical difference between 200ly
    and 10^10^53ly? An erudite off-list correspondent emphasized to
    me in an email exchange that anything further away than 10^15
    ly is beyond our event horizon, so we can't ever learn anything
    about worlds 10^10^53 light years away, and so who cares? Well,
    I do. It feels warm and comfy to know that only 10^10^53 ly
    away another one of me is pounding out this same email. Gives
    me a sense of real community.

    Lee



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