Re: kasparov vs junior drawn: turing test

From: spike66 (spike66@attbi.com)
Date: Sat Feb 08 2003 - 11:46:53 MST

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    Dossy wrote:
    > On 2003.02.07, Jones, Spike <spike.jones@lmco.com> wrote:
    >
    >>Congratulations to Junior's programmers! Its all
    >>over for carbon on this planet. {8^D
    >
    > Lucky for us, when computers finally play chess better than humans
    > outright, it's in the nature of humans to create a brand new game that
    > we excel and watch computers catch up again ... ;-)

    We have that game: the Turing test.

    > The long-standing challenge of the Turing test still hasn't been
    > defeated by computers, workstation-class or otherwise ...-- Dossy

    Not so fast. Chess computers climbed the chess
    ranks in 50 years. Simplifying a little, tournament
    chess has seven ranks, D, C, B, A, expert, master
    and grandmaster. When I was in college in 1980, the
    commercially available software was just breaking into
    the Cs. They climbed a rank about every four years
    since then, with this year being the landmark year
    where commercial software can be considered about
    equal to the top human grandmaster.

    When Turing envisioned the Turing test whereby one
    would converse with a computer and not be able to
    tell it from a human, he was describing a grandmaster
    Turing machine.

    I would suggest we have D rated, and perhaps C rated
    Turing machines today, as demonstrated by the guy who
    set up an Eliza-like program to converse over the
    internet in a teen chat group. Modern teenagers
    generally have never heard of Eliza, the simulated
    psychologist that their parents had so much fun with
    when they were teens.

    I no longer have the URL, perhaps someone here has
    it. But he posted a number of e-conversations between
    C and D rated intellects (the teenagers), some of
    which conversed with Eliza for *an hour or more*
    never realizing their correspondant was a machine!
    Of those few that did eventually catch on, it was
    because the machine responses were too fast. Many
    of them made comments such as "damn you type fast."
    Several of them thought it was a lascivious old man
    but they generally didn't figure out it was a
    computer.

    I would suggest that this exercise is a demonstration
    of a C rated Turing machine, about where computer
    chess was 25 years ago. I am not suggesting that
    machines will climb a rank every 4 or 5 years, but
    the point is we should expect software to improve
    steadily, not pop out suddenly at grandmaster
    strength in the Turing test.

    Some of those conversations were so hilarious. Teen
    girls would say to the machine "...you are such a
    good listener, we should meet offline..." etc. I
    thought I was going to wet my diapers.

    Anyone still have that URL? spike



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