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Date: Fri Feb 07 2003 - 21:55:29 MST
Hubert Mania writes:
> When I read Tipler, I remember I was wondering why on earth he wanted to
> haul back every person who had EVER lived back into life again. From that
> moment on I thought he must be completely nuts. I guess, it's fine to
> *think* about the possibility of doing it in order to make clear how much
> power would be on our hand, once we would slide and shiver into Omega
Point.
>
> But then, am I really that naive or would that mean I had to sign up for
> taking - let's say - half a dozen resurrected mongolian warriors who died
in
> a tribal skirmish with Western Siberians some 30.000 years ago into my
> apartment and explain them the use of the TV remote control, get enough
> mammoth meat for them to eat and help them getting along with the
> application form for social security?
>
> I mean what great effort would it mean to provide a job for all the humans
> who had ever lived? What would you do with Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot?
> Gently brain wash them with a love-peace-and-happiness neuro linguistic
> program? Well, this might be a fine retraining course for the six
mongolian
> warriors in my apartment. NLP trainers who spread the Kantian/Extropian
> message amongst their war loving contemporaries. Think about some animal
> right fighters who make it to the Omega Point! Would they stand up for
> resurrecting all primates who had ever lived? Dolphins? This might get
> pretty crowed down here. Another fine reason for exploring space and
> supporting NASA.
>
> Cheers
>
> Hubert
>
I think we'd have to accept that if we resurrect primates or dolphins we
will
have to alter them neurologically to boost their intelligence, using
human/AI
models (which are the only models we will have to develope from, assuming we
are alone).
I would certainly be in favour of dogs and cats and dolphins. Numbers in the
past
are not a problem. Under Tipler's scheme, this all occurs in an infinite
multiverse
stack, so space is not a problem at all there. The intervening time however
is a problem
under Tipler's scheme if human populatin doubles every year (if every human
female gets
pregnant every year). If other spcies are boosted soon, this is also a
problem for them.
Under Tipler's scenario, it may be that birthing children may need to be
restricted to certain
intervals.
I don't have any problem resurrecting Genghis Khan (Oceanic Lord) but I want
to have a
system of protective shielding (provided with consent) in place, along with
positive ethical
notions relating to inbuilding free will in newborns, assistance, choice
etc..
Genghis may well be in a difficult position because he has to live with
himself and a lot of
social stigma. Or he may not. As long as he is not free to rape and pillage
without consent, I
have no problem with his existence. Just because I can forgive him
absolutely and love him
to an extent does not mean that I need ever agree with what Genghis Khan did
in the past.
Iain Bank's Culture series can provide a few pointers on a littel of the
above. I agree with
Iain's vision of no work for anyone in the previous/current sense, a vision
shared with
Greg Egan and many other sf writers.
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